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Old 10-13-2004, 08:47 PM   #41
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Jesus is not some historical character who was crucified some long ago date on a cross, and spoke to his Father etc etc. all that is literalism. a story.

really, deeply madly deeply, Jesus IS you. yes you. THIS is the really good news. not some more literalist rant that makes no sense whatsoever. so what do i mean?

Don't know if many of you are familiar with the current theories that show paganistic influence for the formation of the Chritian myth. there is much on offer if you care to look

Bascially, Jesus is the Hellenistic-Judaic version of the pagan god-man who was the ever-living ever-dying ever-regenerating god-man, Son/Lover of the Goddess

This god-man was to be eaten.drunk. i mean you know of the central ritual of the Christian myth don't you? The eating of the flesh and blood of Jesus. Well, that is precisely the pagan ritual of eating the sacred god-man-plant/hallucinogen

What happens is that this plant/mushroom is taken up an pulled apart (the meaning of "crucifixion"), ingested and hence is sacrificed

When the god-man then dies, simltaneously he is resurrected. Further, and this is where you come in. Your egoic boundary dis-solving, IS the resurrection. they happen simultaneously.

what egoic boundary dissolving means is that your rigid mindset becomes ever so more flexible, and open to the flow of things. Song, dance, sensuality, sexuality, awareness of Nature in all its deepnesses. This is spirituality in its essence.

so what happened? why did Jesus become an historical figure? what do you think?
Jesus is me. Jesus is you. Jesus is all of us. Jesus is all of the best in all of us.

Jesus is an historical figure because He was an historical figure. (At least in Christian minds).
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Old 10-13-2004, 09:15 PM   #42
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I am he as you are he as you are me as we are all together...
-Lennon/McCartney

(Always figured that one was Lennon by himself, actually... )

Lulay, have you ever read the book Myths to Live By, by Joseph Campbell?
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happened on this thread again accidentally after researching about 'euacharist' online.........

didn't realize i'd been asked a question previouslt...sorry mate

i am not sure i have read that particular Campbell book, but have read his 'masks' volumes and his The Power of Myth

though i am critiquing Campbell now--for example his 'monomyth' which commensuarete with the 'perennial philosophy' we all are supposed to HAVE to fit into.....!

dont you'll see that the Christian 'eucharist' is a placebo-ritual for an ACTUAL much more ancient (and probably for early Christians, 'SECRET') ritual of communal ingestion of a sacrament.

otherwise i chalolenge you to tell me the POINT of 'just-words'. what exactly do 'just-words' supposed to do for you?...if its more than words for you--if Christian, plesa explain....and for athiests who dont trust any deep experience such as that afforded by hallucinogenic inspiration, then what do you offer as an alternative? 'reason'?
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