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GOD AND THE DEVIL ARE THEY THE SAME PERSON?



At long last, in this New Age, as we begin to think, free from guilt, and open to all inquiry, comes a very interesting possibility. Could it be that Satan and God are one in the same.? Now that's enough to send our fundamentalist friends running for their stones, isn't it.?

But let's try to understand nature and it's laws. Understand the human mind , and it's thoughts. Understand life and it's needs. Within that framework of thinking, we will find a whole new world of possibilities. .


First let us look at the scriptures for evidence.

Numbers 21:5, God tells Moses to make a serpent, and put it on a pole, so that the people will be healed when they look at it. Moses obediently makes a serpent of brass. Second Kings 18:1, Hezekiah, (who the Bible says, did what was right in the sight of God,) broke the serpent of brass in obedience to God. Now remember, Hezekiah is receiving instructions to break the serpent of brass that God told Moses to make.

Now let us look at something else, that is most interesting.

1 Chronicles 21:1, " And Satan stood up and provoked David to number Israel". David did it, and then repented for sinning against God.

2nd Samuel 24:1, "The anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel , and He told David, "Go and number Israel".

Interesting ?. Satan and God are speaking, and giving the same directions to David. Same voice, same rules, same person ?

One more.
Job 1:6, " The sons of God, appear before God, and Satan is there". Satan is the only one that God talks to in this drama. He instructs him to test Job. He entrusts Satan with everything in the world that Job owns.


NOTE: GOD DID NOT TRUST MWISTERS, OR PRIESTS, OR RABBIS, WITH EVERYTHING JOB OWNED, HE TRUSTED SATAN.



So what's it all about.? Satan is not a person. Satan is a necessary force that is negative, but absolutely essential to sustain life. In electricity there must be a positive and a negative. Without the negative there is no electricity. Without electricity, there is no light. Plato said this, " There is in matter, a blind force which resists the will of creation. This blind force under Christian influence, was transformed into Satan.



GOD AND THE DEVIL

Helena Blavatsky stated that this natural force which makes life exist, is used by Christianity to promote fear. She prays, "Oh Holy Father Of Evil, Sainted Satan, do not abandon the pious Christians, they need you so".

What does she mean ? Simply, without Satan there is no need for a redeemer, and without a redeemer, there is no Christianity. Don't you see ?. Too much sun and a flower will die, too much sun and you become sick. The same power that gives you life, can make you sick.

Romans 13:1, " Let every soul be subject to the higher powers.


FOR THERE IS NO POWER BUT OF GOD: THE POWERS THAT BE, ARE ORDAINED OF GOD."

Isaia6 45:7, " I form the light and create darkness, I MAKE PEACE AND CREATE EVIL, I THE LORD DO ALL THESE THINGS."


We have been taught to fear a person that does not exist, instead of understanding a true farce of nature that does. Satan is simply an allegorical symbol for the other side of nature. Winter, night, storm, not to be feared, but to be understood.

Together with Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny, our religious heritage has given us Satan as a person who exists, to take our attention away from ourselves, lest we heal ourselves as Jesus instructed.

Instead we look to the church to save us from Satan. We look to the church to save us from nature, of which they know nothing.

So lift the mask of Satan and you will see the face of God. The creative male and female, universal force, that has created opposing forces which we all experience, and by experiencing them, we live.

Satan and God, one in the same. The opposing forces of nature that sustain all life.

buddahead

A THOUGHT


All we know, is what we have been taught, by people who do not know.

lenrek

Ah... interesting...

How do we know, either they know or don't know?

buddahead

obviously they dont know


Religion says you must be born again, is is true.

Being Born Again is the foundation of Christianity. But if we look closely at the Bible we will see that the Christian idea of being "born again", and Jesus idea of being "born again", are two different things.

One interesting fact that we come across in looking at this-subject is that Jesus never told His disciples that they must be, "born again". He told this only to the religious, never to His disciples.

What is the commonly held procedure of "Born Again Christians", concerning achieving this second birth.? The basis of the belief comes from Romans 10:9, "If you shall confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shall believe in thine heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." ,

Let us keep that scripture in mind as we look at how Jesus used the "born again" experience as a teacher.

In John 3:3 Jesus told Nicodemus that he must be "born again". If we use the commonly accepted procedure for achieving this second birth, Nicodemus would have had to confess Jesus Christ as Lord.

How could Nicodemus possibly do that when in John 5:30, Jesus said of himself, "of my own self I can do nothing". How could Nicodemus possibly give lordship to someone who said that he could not do anything ?. .

The second part of the commonly held "born again" procedure, is that one has to believe that God raised Jesus from the dead.

Nicodemus could not possibly qualify because Jesus was not dead yet. So here is Jesus telling Nicodemus that he must be "born again" , yet fundamentalist Christians have devised procedures of achieving that second birth that Nicodemus could not have possibly used.

Let us move on and consider another interesting aspect of salvation by the second birth which as you know promises eternity simply by saying words and trying to believe in a resurrection concept.

You are asked to believe that God raised Jesus from the dead, and this is considered an essential part of being "born again" and being "saved".

Jesus told his disciples that he was going to rise up on the third day. Its in the Bible. How much faith did the disciples of Jesus have. Did they believe.? According to the Bible, when




the resurrection occurred, not one of them showed up. Yet your salvation is based on a story that is over 2000 years old and totally remote from any historical record.

So according to the Bible, the ones who lived the closest to Jesus and were with him almost constantly, did not have faith enough to believe in resurrection from the dead. According to the Bible in 1 Corinthians 15:50 the Apostle Paul makes a statement that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, and that corruption cannot inherit incorruption.

The Apostle Paul evidently does not believe in the possibility of a physical resurrection from the dead. l Corinthians 15:42 Paul says, "so is the resurrection of the dead, it is sowed in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.

"The physical body does not rise from the gave. Yet you are expected to believe in a physical resurrection as part of your salvation procedure, even though Nicodemus could not have possibly followed the procedure to attain the "born again" experience that Jesus ordained.

Well we have spent some time in discussing the procedures that many Christians have adopted to gain salvation and have the "born again" experience. The procedure as we have outlined requires one to speak some words and believe some specific things about Jesus.

There is nothing more required. But that is where it comes completely in conflict with the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Jesus never said that one could attain salvation by believing or saying anything. He was very specific.


Luke 6:46 Jesus says " why do you call me Lord and not do what I tell you to do." So here we see that Jesus expected action on our part. But what action was He looking for.?

In Matthew 6:22 he said that we should practice the single eye. We should meditate above the thoughts of the mind.

In Luke 11:52 he said that we should seek within ourselves. We should meditate.
In Matthew 6:25 to 6:33 he said that we should take no thought. We should meditate above the thoughts of the mind.

In Matthew 6:5 he said that we should pray by entering the closet and closing the door. An eastern expression for meditation.

All of the things that mainline Christianity say are occult and evil are the precise things that Jesus required of us if we were to experience salvation.


This is quite an amazing thing because the commonly held belief of this day is that salvation and being born again is totally dependent on our uttering some words and holding some beliefs relative to resurrection, yet in the book of Hebrews it again says just the opposite.

Hebrews 5:9 says " He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that OBEY him. There's the key. Obedience to His teachings takes one into the higher realm of consciousness where salvation occurs.

So what can we make of the fact that Jesus was telling Nicodemus that He had to be . "born again". Given the facts as we have studied them here, how could he possibly become "born again".?


Jesus was telling Nicodemus that he was too religious. He had so many beliefs and opinions that the only way He could find the Kingdom of God was to be physically born again and be free from those religious beliefs. He had to experience physical rebirth so as to have another chance to be born again spiritually. Religious people today are exactly the same. Their religious beliefs do not include instructions as Jesus taught it. Thus they have to be set free by a new birth. Their current beliefs do not allow them to obey Jesus. They instead give their allegiance to their religious affiliations.

Nicodemus did not understand what Jesus was talking about. Neither do the religious people of today. For this is an earthly, physical, birthing experience. How do I know that this is an actual physical rebirth that Jesus was referring to when he said " you must be born again"?

In John 3:12 Jesus makes it very clear when He says to Nicodemus" If I have told you of EARTHLY things and you believe not, how shall you believe if I tell you of heavenly things".

The earthly things Jesus had just told Nicodemus of were the need for a physical Born Again experience so that in a new physical life one may be unburdened from the rules and guilt of religion so as to be free to experience a new spiritual birth. WOW How come religion hasnt told us. HMM.

Now there was and is no jesus outside of your own mind, do you get this part?

Buddahead

lenrek

Interesting... Since I am a Buddhist, I dont really spend much time on studying other religion. Though, before I become a Buddhist, i went to church almost every week for at least a year (at my home town). However, during that time, they (the Christian friends) only ask us to read certain portion of the bible. I do not remember they had reference to different sections of the bible when we were in studies.

Perhaps I should go and read up again... when I have time...

ps: Is nice to read you explanation, but I am not so sure if Christian will accept what you have stated.

DISSIDENT AGGRESSOR

At a time when I was trying to believe, this came to mind. Most people I've met display schizoid personalities in one way or the other, so why not their creator?

DISSIDENT AGGRESSOR

Kinda like anyone who acts as his own lawyer has a fool for a client.
I am basicly self taught and I definatly did not know

Mediancat

locked pending spilt, please hold --

Rob aka Mediancat

mongrel

I've unlocked this thread after the split. Now let's see if a serious discussion will be spawned...

Darth Dane

Because it is all in the mind/conciousness?