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Lucretius · 08-04-2007, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by afdave

Of course. But it is a non-sequitur to say "Some 'religious' texts are non-sensical bunkum, therefore the Bible is also non-sensical bunkum." No real scholar would say that. A real scholar would evaluate the Bible on it's own merits (or lack thereof).

Which is precisely the answer I wanted from you

You have been consistenly shown on several threads here how the Bible lacks merit as a) history b) science and c)even good literature yet you seem incapable or unwilling to accept this.
Rather you still see it it as "divinley inspired" and even as "inerrant" despite being shown how this could not be the case due to glaring inaccuracies .

Dave Hawkins · 08-04-2007, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffevnz

afdave - I don't think Toto finds any of supposed confirmed prophecies in the Koran to be convincing. His point is that they're as convincing as the supposed ones in the Bible, ie, not at all.

WRT the hospitals - Bravo. You went and did some reading, and then came back with information from a source that is not totally dubious, and used it to refute a specific point that someone made. That's how you play the game around here. That's one of the things you have to do if you want to be taken seriously. The other one is not to make ridiculous claims in the first place.

You act like I don't do this. You apparently have been reading my critics instead of reading what I write.

Dave Hawkins · 08-04-2007, 06:30 AM

The Bible's prophecies are FAR more convincing than any Koran prophecy that I have been shown.

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You have been consistenly shown on several threads here how the Bible lacks merit as a) history b) science and c)even good literature yet you seem incapable or unwilling to accept this.
Rather you still see it it as "divinley inspired" and even as "inerrant" despite being shown how this could not be the case due to glaring inaccuracies .

False. People CLAIM and ASSUME that someone else has proven that the Bible lacks merit as a) history b) science and c)even good literature. But no one has SHOWN it.

deadman_932 · 08-04-2007, 06:42 AM

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False. People CLAIM and ASSUME that someone else has proven that the Bible lacks merit as a) history b) science and c)even good literature. But no one has SHOWN it.

The Island of Tyre is not sunk beneath the ocean. The Nile Valley of Egypt was never conquered and made barren by nebuchadrezzar. We discussed those two facts ad nauseum at AtBC and your response has been to conveniently forget that episode

deadman_932 · 08-04-2007, 06:45 AM

We've also discussed things like changing the genetics of sheep with a stick, the fact that the global flood never occurred, as shown by science. Your response to that is endless hand-waving devoid of any science at all.
You're far too modest about your abilities in deception and misdirection.

Magdlyn · 08-04-2007, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by afdave

As for charity work in general, are you telling me that people in Islamic countries are REQUIRED to give? That sounds like a tax. Something like Social Security. What I'm referring to in Christianity are private charities staffed and funded by volunteers who are donating voluntarily because they love God and love people.

Well, many of theses "Islamic countries" are theocracies, so the government is religion based. Taxation would equal a tithe.

If the US were a theocracy (god forbid) we'd be in the same bracket.

I have no doubt however, there are Muslims who give privately in many countries, including the US.

voll · 08-04-2007, 07:44 AM

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... Tell me about some hospitals and orphanages built in honor of Islam or out of gratitude to Allah or whatever. I would like to hear about them. ....

I doubt that the Aga Khan Foundation was set-up solely in "honour of Islam" etc, but it is a good example of a Muslim organisation that does charitable work on a very large scale.

http://www.akdn.org/

shirley knott · 08-04-2007, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by afdave

The Bible's prophecies are FAR more convincing than any Koran prophecy that I have been shown.

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You have been consistenly shown on several threads here how the Bible lacks merit as a) history b) science and c)even good literature yet you seem incapable or unwilling to accept this.
Rather you still see it it as "divinley inspired" and even as "inerrant" despite being shown how this could not be the case due to glaring inaccuracies .

False. People CLAIM and ASSUME that someone else has proven that the Bible lacks merit as a) history b) science and c)even good literature. But no one has SHOWN it.

I'd encourage anyone who believes there is the slightest whiff of truth in this heap of effluent from Dave to do a simple search for his threads on this and other sites. You will find that dave does not back up his criticism in any substantive or rational fashion, dave has been shown how the Bible is no more valid as history than Gone With the Wind, and he has been shown that there is no science in the bible.
And dave lies about the past wherever he goes.
He even failed to demonstrate that the book of Genesis is accurate history on this very board.
The evidence is there, it demands a verdict, and the simple verdict is that dave does not know what truth or reason consist of. And posts logorheacally to prove it.

Shirley Knott

Mike PSS · 08-04-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Calilasseia

RDF = Richard Dawkins Forums. Linky. Home of many of Dave's "finest" moments, as it were, before he decided to pay IIDB a visit (though in some respects his output at IIDB has been even more spectacular).

And for eight months before RDF there was AtBC (After the Bar Closes). Dave argued there with his Updated Creator God Hypothesis threads for hundreds of pages. Do a search for afdave or the UCGH or UCGH2 (or other keywords like Portuguese moment :devil1: )
Linky

Sphincterboy · 08-04-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by afdave

Toto ... Here's what I read about early hospitals ...

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The adoption of Christianity as the state religion of the empire ... ordered the construction of a hospital in every cathedral town

As for charity work in general, are you telling me that people in Islamic countries are REQUIRED to give? That sounds like a tax. Something like Social Security.

Um...anyone else here notice something?

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08-04-2007, 06:45 AM	#225
deadman_932 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Altadena, California Posts: 3,271	We've also discussed things like changing the genetics of sheep with a stick, the fact that the global flood never occurred, as shown by science. Your response to that is endless hand-waving devoid of any science at all. You're far too modest about your abilities in deception and misdirection.

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