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Clouseau · 06-21-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RED DAVE

The percentage of Christians in the US population in 2001 was a whopping 76.5%.

Whoooo!

lpetrich · 06-21-2007, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Clouseau

No country has ever been Christian. Christians are always a small minority, like salt in food.

So the large majority of people who have called themselves Xians past and present are nothing but fake Xians?

This seems like the No True Scotsman fallacy on a massive scale.

Clouseau · 06-21-2007, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Clouseau

No country has ever been Christian. Christians are always a small minority, like salt in food.

So the large majority of people who have called themselves Xians past and present are nothing but fake Xians?

This seems like the No True Scotsman fallacy on a massive scale.

The convenient No True Scotsman fallacy fallacy turns up again. :snooze:

Toto · 06-21-2007, 07:22 PM

It's time to move this to GRD.

Cheerful Charlie · 06-21-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

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Predominately Christian society??? Is that better?

I wish.

'Historically Christian', perhaps (although the experiences of John Wesley might be adduced against this). At the moment this is a society in which Christianity has no power and no role.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

There was a time when religion had all power and a major role in the world. It was called the dark ages.

Do we really want to return to an era where religion was all powerful such as the 1500's with its religious wars, auto-de-fes, religious massacres, witch hunts, inquisitions, heresy hunts? Where men like Tyndale can be burnt at the stake for putting the Bible into the hands of the people? Where the peoples of two entire new continents were declared to be slaves by the Pope? Not to mention the entire population of England. Do you really want to return to Jolly Olde England of that era where one could be fined or whipped for failure to go to Church on Sunday? Where one could be imprisoned or executed for being a Catholic? Executed for being an Atheist? Imprisoned or executed for blasphemy? Burned as a witch?

Do we really want to go back to the wonderful golden age of the St Bartholonew's day massacre, or the 30 Years War, or Alva in the Netherlands? Pizzaro in Peru or the conquisadors in Mexico? The English in Ireland? The Hussite wars?

The more history you know, the more you will not like the idea of a Christian state.

CC

Cheerful Charlie · 06-21-2007, 07:37 PM

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He pointed to laws in England that assume legally that England is a religious nation, still. The only one who missed the point of that post was you.

CC

Thanks CC (I'm a she, but I'm sure Roger wont like that any better than most Christians do. Women should know their place)

It does make me chuckle when Christians mention "understanding" of "facts" in the same breath. I would have thought they would be the first to shy away from such terms.

I live in the UK and "darkie" is definitely not an accepted term, unless you're at a BNP meeting or perhaps in certain Churches.

Sorry about the confusion. Yes, "darkie", what a way to convince us Roger is a serious debater that using that word in that manner. He's a golden tongued devil, 'eh? I live in Texas, where "darkie" is still an offensive term also. A good word to use to win friends and influence. Not.

Cheerful Charlie

Clouseau · 06-21-2007, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheerful Charlie

The more history you know, the more you will not like the idea of a Christian state.

It is only those who are totally ignorant of Christianity who suppose that such a thing is possible.

RED DAVE · 06-21-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Clouseau

The more history you know, the more you will not like the idea of a Christian state.

It is only those who are totally ignorant of Christianity who suppose that such a thing is possible.[/QUOTE]Uhh, we Jews have had plenty of experience with real live Christian states, like Medieval Spain and France and fun places like that. (Is it the King of Spain who is His Most Catholic Majesty and the King of France who is His Most Christian Majesty, or is it the other way around?)

RED DAVE

gstafleu · 06-22-2007, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RED DAVE

The percentage of Christians in the US population in 2001 was a whopping 76.5%.

Yes, but the problem is they don't live in Scotland.

Gerard Stafleu

gstafleu · 06-22-2007, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

At the moment this [UK] is a society in which Christianity has no power and no role.

I suspect this is true to a large extent. I also wonder if this has allowed the aberration of Tony Blair to take place. Apparently his motivation to invade Iraq was religious. Meanwhile a large majority of UK'ers was against it. Perhaps they had lost sight of the possible dangers of religious thought because they no longer encountered it day-to-day, and so let Blair slip in? In any case, given that going to war is the most serious thing a country can do, I would suggest that Christianity apparently plays/played a greater role in current-day UK then one might think.

Gerard Stafleu

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