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funinspace · 08-27-2004, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Killjoy

I agree. This is exactly why the OP requested purely internal contradictions. This thread was started in response to an argument in which it was claimed that the very concept of truth does not make sense apart from the Bible. I am guessing (the point did not actually come up) that on this line of reasoning, if the Bible claimed that the external Universe did not exist then that would be enough to prove that the external Universe does not exist. After all a universe that contains nothing but a single Bible is logically possible. However a universe that allows contradictions is logically impossible. So if the Bible can be shown to contain contradictions then this "Bible == Truth" line of agument can be shown for what it is. A real hard case xian might still not be convinced, but for someone who is on the fence it may actually provide some insight.

The bolded part I added. As seen here and the previous thread on contradictions, one can see that the Xians who demand a innerrant canon find all sorts of ways to explain the contradictions away. Whether it's Math 3 14's, or Jesus' lineage, or the disparate presentations of the risen Christ by the gospels, or a slew of others obvious contradictory passages, the true believer usually finds a way to satisfy their own mind on how it's all still coherent. So I find internal contradictions to also be relatively fruitless. They are willing to quibble on these type of passages. And still they work very hard to ignore the grand miracles and their timelines. Must be fear of the truth, as far as I can tell :devil3:

DramaQ · 08-27-2004, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by inquisitive01

Let's not forget the following (it would seem that Spookie Here is not going to provide any examples, if there are any, so it's open to anyone):

This one is just for fun, Inqy. Well… and also so that hopefully you can be satisfied and thus give this one a rest (after all, it’s not really a biblical contradiction, is it?):

An “example of what Paul said that REQUIRES a current interpretation according to 2004�?

How about:

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Romans 13:1

Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

How do we interpret that for 2004? (I’m sure "W" believes it.

Is it true for other country's leaders?). I would especially have liked to know how you felt about this between 1992 and 2000!

I’m foreseeing something about “authorities�? referring to Heavenly or religious ones. But it sure seems to me that “governing authorities�? refers to the government, especially given 13:6.

dq

inquisitive01 · 08-27-2004, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DramaQ

This one is just for fun, Inqy. Well… and also so that hopefully you can be satisfied and thus give this one a rest (after all, it’s not really a biblical contradiction, is it?):

An “example of what Paul said that REQUIRES a current interpretation according to 2004�?

How about:

How do we interpret that for 2004? (I’m sure "W" believes it.

Is it true for other country's leaders?). I would especially have liked to know how you felt about this between 1992 and 2000!

I’m foreseeing something about “authorities�? referring to Heavenly or religious ones. But it sure seems to me that “governing authorities�? refers to the government, especially given 13:6.

dq

So why not attempt interpreting it (in your own words) for 2004, then post back with your results? I know that I, for one, am interested in what your results will be.

DramaQ · 08-27-2004, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by inquisitive01

So why not attempt interpreting it (in your own words) for 2004, then post back with your results?

Because, quite frankly, I couldn't care less.

You're the one who kept asking for quotes from Paul that requires interpretation in 2004. (Not the interpretation itself.) For a person for whom NT teachings are an important part of every day life, I should think the one I found is a good such example.

I am not such a person.

Hope I didn't disappoint you.

dq

inquisitive01 · 08-27-2004, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DramaQ

Because, quite frankly, I couldn't care less.

Then one must wonder why you bothered posting here in this thread in the first place. :huh:

DramaQ · 08-27-2004, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by inquisitive01

Then one must wonder why you bothered posting here in this thread in the first place. :huh:

Because I find the subject of "biblical contradictions" interesting. And I found the repeated requests for quotes from Paul distracting.

You're absolutely right. I shouldn't have bothered following down that path.

(For the record, though, the fact that I have no interest whatsoever in interpreting Paul for the 21st century has no bearing on any interest I may have in finding such quotes - which is all you actually asked for in the first place.)

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