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Vampyroteuthis · 07-02-2008, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ishmael

Just look at the evidence and open your heart and you will see, Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. He will change you, and you will know that he is God.

Where is the evidence?

iLoveKnowledge · 07-02-2008, 09:09 AM

DAMMIT! I had a nice rant set up and you ruined it!

BigJim · 07-02-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Fullmetal Atheist

The OP is such obvious God-spam as to be a parody of itself.

What do you mean?

MrFrosty · 07-02-2008, 09:21 AM

Joke thread fs

Lógos Sokratikós · 07-02-2008, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ishmael

He brought two other men that had been close friends of mine in the past also. They answered all my lingering questions and I understood about God for the first time. Afterwards, they prayed for me. I felt as if I had come into the presence of the Jesus that I had hated so much. I raised my hands to fight, but I felt that his arms were wide open... ready to forgive and help me. I broke down in tears and gave my life over to Jesus. I didn't join a religion or a church... I simply can to realize what happens when an atheist meets Jesus.

I can too. Been there, until I realized I was fooling myself. But of course, you're not me, so the similarities may end there.

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As you know, I have considered myself an atheist. At least I thought that I was an atheist. However, I often struggled with the hypocrisy that I saw in my life due to the difficulties with actually living out atheism. From a detached "intellectual" point of view it's easy to wave your hand and proclaim, "there is no God because there is no proof of his existence." Yet most atheists are really shaking an angry fist in spite of the evidence which they know to exist.

You were an atheist believing there is evidence against atheism? Are you sure you know what it is to be an atheist? What would motivate a man to pretend being an atheist while believing there was proof for the beliefs of Christianity, is beyond my mental capacity and sense of the reasonable.

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Yet most atheists are really shaking an angry fist in spite of the evidence which they know to exist.

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Another real problem arose for me when it came to discussing religion. I could calmly discuss the teachings of Mohammed or Buddha, but when it came to Jesus I became very angry.

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I argued with and harassed Christians without cause. I hated their joy and love for one another. I felt that they simply needed a crutch; they could have their crutch... I was man enough to face my death. But, I found that I was afraid of life. I hated almost everyone, especially myself...

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all my vain arguments and anger passed away. I no longer hated these people.

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I raised my hands to fight, but I felt that his arms were wide open... ready to forgive and help me.

Seems you were a very very angry person. I guess it's no use to tell you there's a difference between "not believing" in something and being "angry"... because it's obvious you're used to using a strong arsenal of self-deluding whatever side of the fence you happend to be on.

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For example, I believed in the "Big Bang" theory and Darwinian evolution. I believed in the "Big Bang" because I thought that it was a scientific explanation as to our existence, while religion was just full of myth. Through later research I found that the "Big Bang" is not science at all since it is not based on direct observation or testable methods. In contradiction, it is adhered to "religiously" by those who wish to purposely reject the idea of accountability and a moral standard. Some say, "Well God could have initiated the Big Bang." But by the time you get to Ylem (the supposed source of the bang) you've effectively eliminated any worshipable god from the picture (a very convenient trick for those who don't want God but can't disprove him; just make him really small). In turn, I had simply assumed this theory to be fact as my sixth grade teacher had told me it was so. We studied it along with the fact that the earth revolves around the sun, and that's certainly provable and accepted.

You get a warm fuzzies jesus moment and then you rewrite science. Something tells me you're applying defense mechanisms about that too. If you become atheist you redact science to fit your atheist views, and if you become christian you redact them to suit your new christian views? Are you serious?

Something tells me you never have assimilated the scientific outlook whatever side of the fence.

If your athiesm was based upon accepting the scientific notions that supported your views, you never knew neither what science nor atheism is about. Athiesm is not a faith -good thing you're over that. I hope you never "become atheist" agian unless you realize what empiricism, logic and the nature of science really is.

Good luck with your life as the christian you always were.

Angra Mainyu · 07-02-2008, 09:37 AM

To avoid further misunderstandings:

The OP is not serious.

Davedave · 07-02-2008, 09:44 AM

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If the Big Bang happened, what happened before the big bang? You just can't explain it and your no god theory breaks down and makes us miserable because we're both unacountable to the higher good and confused about why we're here. Can't you see that? Jesus is the answer.

No, there's a better answer. There is no such thing as "before" the Big Bang. The Big Bang created time. The word "before" relies on the prior existence of time. Since there is no time, there can be no before. Try to state your question in a form that doesn't involve predicating it on things we know are false. If you can state your question in a way that doesn't involve a known falsehood, then we will address it.

Tom Sawyer · 07-02-2008, 10:11 AM

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Also, j/k. Owned.

Bullshit you were joking. I offered you 10% off at an amusement park and a football phone and then you decided you were back on our side.

This is just one more example of what I've been saying about how we need to bribe theists to turn their backs on their gods rather than trying to convince them with logic and reason. Logic, reason and $1.50 will buy someone a cup of coffee. Give them a coupon for 10% off and they can buy that coffee for $1.35. Nuff said.

Vampyroteuthis · 07-02-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

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Originally Posted by Ishmael

Also, j/k. Owned.

Bullshit you were joking. I offered you 10% off at an amusement park and a football phone and then you decided you were back on our side.

This is just one more example of what I've been saying about how we need to bribe theists to turn their backs on their gods rather than trying to convince them with logic and reason. Logic, reason and $1.50 will buy someone a cup of coffee. Give them a coupon for 10% off and they can buy that coffee for $1.35. Nuff said.

Excellent idea! What we've been doing so far is not working so why not?

Tom Sawyer · 07-02-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Vampyroteuthis

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Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Bullshit you were joking. I offered you 10% off at an amusement park and a football phone and then you decided you were back on our side.

This is just one more example of what I've been saying about how we need to bribe theists to turn their backs on their gods rather than trying to convince them with logic and reason. Logic, reason and $1.50 will buy someone a cup of coffee. Give them a coupon for 10% off and they can buy that coffee for $1.35. Nuff said.

Excellent idea! What we've been doing so far is not working so why not?

If you can come up with a workable hypothesis that leads to a definitive plan of action with a high probability of success, I will make sure you receive one complementary entree at your local Houston's restaurant (with the purchase of another entree of equal or greater value).

It can work to motivate our own side too!

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07-02-2008, 09:09 AM	#22
iLoveKnowledge Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Addicted to Nox Arcana and Amethystium Posts: 2,675	DAMMIT! I had a nice rant set up and you ruined it!

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MrFrosty Moderator - Miscellaneous Discussions Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Shenzhen, S.E. China (UK ex-pat) Posts: 14,249	Joke thread fs

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Angra Mainyu Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Buenos Aires Posts: 7,588	To avoid further misunderstandings: *The OP is not serious.*

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