Steven Carr

http://www.bede.org.uk/journal.html which references

http://www.tektonics.org/crimeline.htm

Bede and J.P (No Link) Holding track down the lies , and half-truths of sceptics.

For example, take the sceptical charge - 'Alleged ministry of Christ: Jesus accused of "possession by evil spirits" (John 7:20; 10:20); this may explain evil nature of Christian followers over centuries.'

Bede and Holding refute this sceptical charge. Will sceptics have any decent arguments left after the pair are through?

Toto

Hm, I missed the refutation.

He still is "no link". The object of his scorn is here, and you need to see it to understand Turkel's formatting.

The crimeline is not necessarily something I would want to defend. It lumps together some genuine problems for Christians with some wild charges and some silliness. When you get to the end of the list, modern crimes that have been committed in the name of Christianity or by Christians are dismissed as "Political" or "Irrelevant" or not committed by a True Christian.

But I am interested in this:

Maybe we got through to them - they seem to have stopped claiming that Michael Grant is an atheist.

Saint Peter: A biography:

Bede

First.

HORRAY!

Someone has looked at my blog.

Second, this is very much a work in progress and the formatting is indeed a mess. We hope to tidy it up once the legwork is complete. Third, I still think Michael Grant is an atheist but still can't find where I saw this off JP's site. And finally, Toto's characterisation of the crimeline is pretty good and we have labeled some of the issues as 'true' if we think they are.

Yours

Bede

Bede's Library - faith and reason

Ronin

Bede:

This is the first look at your site I have made and I appreciate the stated intent that it is designed "...for anyone who is interested in these subjects and wants to see how having faith does not mean sacrificing intellectual integrity."

I have only just begun looking over the contents and have some initial perceptions that may be worthwhile addressing.

Are you accepting basic suggestions on how you may improve on communicating your perceptions to a more diverse audience?

Let me know here or via PM.

Green

Some extremeist Christian preachers call for mass lynching of homosexuals. Will the Christians ever realize that their entire religion is violent and false?

Bede

This is the sort of post that can give atheism a bad name. The non sequitur between 'extremist' and 'entire' really should be obvious to all.

B

Aquila ka Hecate

..as should the non sequitur between 'this' and 'any' in the post to which Green was referring.

Ronin

These are precisely the corrective issues I'm perceiving that may avoid such superficial distractions and lead to more substantive examination of these issues.

I'm convinced this can be worked out.

Green

I thought you would understand that I was pointing out the fallacy in pointing to a document by a rabidly anti-Christian atheist, refuting the many silly claims made in the document (very accurately I might add) and then characterizing all atheists' arguments as stemming from the issues raised in the aforementioned document.

Actually my post was more towards Steven Carr's OP, which states

And the only reason I would give atheism a bad name is if EAC(TM) found out I regularly help the Enemy (a local church) with charity work (also for one very personal, very red-headed pretty reason

Mosor

Looking good so far Bede. One thing I despise is exaggeration by either christians or secularists.