Tenek

1) That's it? The Bible would be an awfully verbose way of laying out five laws.
2) How exactly am I to know that those are The Laws?
3) What if I am illiterate? Sure, I could learn to read, but I might die before I can read that. Oh dear. Should I just trust somebody who tells me that the words mean "Give half your money to my church"?

Magus55

Please provide evidence that the "Origin of Species" is the work of Darwin.

Tenek complained that God didn't give a way to determine the laws. God actually did give a way to determine the laws. Its your issue if you don't trust those laws.

Queen of Swords

Right back atcha. By the way, what was that you said earlier about subtle insults? Tsk, tsk, what would Jesus say?

You're free not to reply to whatever you please, but I get a kick out of this!

Queen of Swords

When someone threatens you with eternal torture for not believing every word that Darwin wrote, I will.

Ad Astra

Magus, you can't just evade requests, even really hard ones.

I'll trust them when I get a chance to have a discussion with God regarding those laws. Not to hard of a request for the almight, is it? Could you please put him on the line for us? Thank you.

Magus55

1) There are more than 5 laws. And the bible is verbose? You are aware how many laws The U.S has and how many books contain those laws correct? We have these schools that require massive amounts of study to even gain knowledge of the basics of our law system. The Bible is a lot easier to determine the laws from than trying to learn all the U.S laws.

2) The laws are there to protect us for the most part. You're welcome not to trust them, but breaking them can lead to pretty devastating consequences.

Hyndis

Deism is hardly Christianity, however.

I am an atheist and my views of things could be easily summed up with secular humanism. Those two things are very easily compatable, as if there is no god running things from behind the curtain, then it is only humans, and so they ought to be valued rather than proclaimed as hopelessly flawed, evil, and imperfect. Sure, we ain't anywhere near perfect, but so far we're the best and most moral kind of intelligence out there, so we ought to at least try to improve ourselves.

And I really ought to type faster. Dang multitasking...

Magus55

So you can't trust that Do not murder is a good law to keep in place?

Tenek

Well for starters, the book's author is listed as Charles Darwin. This may seem rather simple but compare to the various books of the Bible. Not a one of them seems to be signed by God. IIRC a fifth or so are Paul's letters.

Secondly, Charles Darwin was credited with being the naturalist on a ship which explored around Galapagos. Ideas in the book appear to have been taken from the experience of someone in that region.

Thirdly, the claim here (Darwin wrote a book) is not a stretch. Massive conspiracies aside, the burden of proof should clearly be on the shoulders of one denying that Origin was authored by Darwin.

Magus55

Did i ever say improving ourselves is a bad thing? Being a sinner doesn't make you unimprovable. Thats one of the missions of life that Christians pursue. To become better and more Christ-like.