The Dollar

If God exists then evidence would suggest he doesn't care about human beings. Is religion flag-waving to get his attention? and if God does exist could the right kind of religion get Gods attention?

God vaguely defined as a supernatural entity who can do anything be anywhere and break all physical laws yet still retain individual self-awareness. Not the Christian God because this one is patently amoral. He may or may not have 'created' everything but he does have complete mastery over what happens next - he can change the mass of electrons for instance or replace them with new particles and new laws governing them. Kadeshev Type four powers - control of reality. There be superbrights. :devil1:

JEST2ASK

Theists make claims about gods, regarding their character, abilities and accomplishments but never based on testable observations. In fact many of the claims are of the type you have outlined , beyond human verification. I guess that is way they call it religious faith. :huh:

JEST2ASK

Hello and welcome :wave: (even though you have been a member for a while ... our paths had not crossed (seemingly) before.

I agree.
It has been suggested (with varying degrees of seriousness) that the adherent of the various gods (or religions) engage in a contest to actuall demonstrate which group does in fact have their god's attention / favor but it seems (AFAIK) that such eveidence is always cloaked in a variation of but god does not preform on demand or god works in mysterious ways etc etc.

rhutchin

Did you intend to provide anything to explain this claim or were you just stating your opinion?

Emil

Which evidence that isn't already obvious do you want?

Praying doesn't work for starters.. How exactly does god help you more than, say a bottle of milk?

JEST2ASK

I would think your beliefs as a Calvinist would lead you to the same sort of conclusion for if it is all for god's pleasure the wants desires , well being of humans (either in this world or the next) is of little importance. Does not god call whom he chooses? ><

Hedshaker

You cannot possibly be serious :huh:

The Dollar

Religions could be a arms race to locate the kind of relgion that would draw a real 'superbeing God' into the human domain. This is more sensible than looking for some kind of explanation that caters for everything except their 'superness' which is the common most feature.
The advantages of a 'superbeing God' would be analogous to the advantages of trying to locating a rich patron - the prospect of immortality is a great draw in Christianity and the success of the abrahamic relgions must be because at least the human side of the bargain is being worked out. The reality of a 'superbeing God' could be quite some distance from what is envisaged at present. There is no evidence for ET yet science takes the search seriously based on our exstence. There is a double standard here since we know intelligent action entails control of natural forces; and we know that at our own level of technology we are already manipulating atoms. A type three technology on the kadashev scale should easily be able to manipulate events on a earth-scale in a 'superbeing like manner. And beyond this there is the point where superbeing status is Godlike to the point where God is surely a meaningful term?

How to detect type 3 civilzations?

Get a few thousand galaxies and check them all for spin and attitude. Do this in squares outside the milkyway plane for obvious reasons. When you've covered enough sky to get the average distribution flat look for statistical anomalies within and between squares of galaxies. Some will stand out as galactic canditates. You'd need a powerful widefield telescope to do it. You'd have to be careful to not mistake stars for galaxies at the greater distances and take into account galaxies covering more distant galaxies at the closer range.

rhutchin

I don't see any evidence (none was presented) and not anything obvious.

Works for me.

rhutchin

Yep.