DLH

They knew that the genealogy records kept by the nation of Israel up until the destruction of the temple in 70 C.E. would prove or disprove Jesus claim to be the messiah and they never questioned his claims.

They couldn't. It was all recorded so as to leave no doubt for that very reason.

There was only one person - ever! who could have made such a claim without question. Why don't you know that?! Children know that!

WVIncagold

apparently do to geneology discussion i need to repost this

then the whole genealogy problem of Jebus the freindly flying super zombie jew

you can find more about what is below here http://isv.org/catacombs/genealogies.htm

One possible solution to the problem is taking the view that Matthew is recording Jesus' genealogy through Mary's husband Joseph. Keep in mind that Matthew, as a Levite knowledgeable of the Tanakh (the "Old" Testament"), would have known that the genealogical line of Joseph, Mary's husband, was ineligible to produce a king in Israel. That's because the line of David through Solomon was cursed by God in Jeconiah's day to the effect that no king would ever sit on the throne of David through Solomon anymore after Jeconiah. See Jeremiah 22:24-30, especially verse 30 of that chapter, for documentation concerning the exact wording of this curse from God to Jeconiah's descendants:

As surely as I live, declares the Lord, even if Coniah, the son of Jehoiakim, king of Judah were a signet ring on my right hand, I would pull you off and give you to those seeking your life, to those you fear, to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon and to the Chaldeans. I’ll hurl you and the mother who gave birth to you into another land where you were not born, and there you will die. As for the land to which you want to return, you won’t return there!

Is this man Coniah a despised and shattered jar,

a vessel no one wants?

Why were he and his descendants hurled and

thrown into a land that they didn’t know?

O land, land, land,

listen to the word of the Lord!

Thus says the Lord,

‘Write this man off as childless,

a man who does not prosper in his lifetime.

Nor shall any of his descendants succeed

in sitting on the throne of David,

or ever ruling in Judah again.’

This divine curse explains why Matthew shows Jesus descending through Solomon (Matthew 1:6, ISV) and why Jesus would not be eligible to be king over Israel as Messiah if Joseph had really been Jesus biological father. Matthew's genealogy may be considered to be serving as an apologetic defending the view that Jesus was not biologically related to Joseph; i.e., Joseph was a step-father to Jesus by virtue of having married Mary, whose pregnancy was caused directly by divine activity and not through sexual union with any man. Instead, Matthew notes that Mary "was discovered to be pregnant by the Holy Spirit." (Matthew 1:18, ISV)

So if Joshua is born of man and his father is Joseph then he could not be the king predicted by Isaiah. as Yahweh cursed that line. If Joseph is not the father and the erroneous translated "virgin" birth is swallowed (hmmmmm maybe thats how she got pregnant? hey it could happen in make believe land!) then again Joshua is not of the proper lineage to be annointed as king as prophesied by Isaiah.

Cege

Just to add a little fuel to your fire, Jesus had a brother named Judas.

"Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?" Matthew 13:55 (NIV)

DLH

JW, I don't read links. If you have a reference give it, but put some thought into it, won't you? There is nothing about your post which is your own with the exception of your smug attempt to impress those which it seems you think you are more clever than. I suspect you were wrong about that as well.

Skeptics not unlike yourself cling to the idea that only one census was taken while Publius Sulpicius Quirnius was governer of Syria around 6 C.E. which sparked a rebellion by Judas the Galilean and the Zealots. (Acts 5:37) In fact that was really the second registration under Quirinius, because inscriptions discovered at and near Antioch revealed that some years earlier Quirinius had served as the emperor's legate in Syria. (The Bearing of Recent Discovery on the Trustworthiness of the New Testament, by W. Ramsay, 1939, pp. 285, 291) The Dictionnaire du Nouveau Testament in Crampon’s French Bible (1939 ed., p. 360 says: "The scholarly researches of Zumpt (Commentat. epigraph., II, 86-104; De Syria romana provincia, 97-98) and of Mommsen (Res gestae divi Augusti) place beyond doubt that Quirinius was twice governor of Syria." Many scholars say that Quirinius' first governorship was somewhere between the years 4 and 1 B.C.E. and probably from 3 to 2 B.C.E. The method used for determining these dates are, however, not solid. His second governorship included 6 B.C.E. Jewish Antiquities, XVIII, 26 (ii, 1)

The Bible says that Jesus was born on Ethanim (September - October) 2 B.C.E. about 6 months after the birth of John the Baptizer during the rule of Roman Emperor Caesar Augustus and the Syrian governorship of Quirnius and towards the end of the reign of Herod the Great over Judea. Matthew 2:1, 13, 20 - 22 / Luke 1:24 - 31, 36 / 2:1-2, 7

Maybe the author of your link knew that, though I doubt it. All I have to go by is your pathetic representation. Get a thought of your own.

Cege

Neither reading or rereading your posts answers questions when you don't provide adequate and/or convincing answers.

DLH

That is all I am going to read of your post. I don't mind smart asses, I consider myself one, but there is a limit to the shit I will put up with. Edit your post without the dumbass childish skeptical bullshit if you want me to consider them.

DLH

But I did. I had already answered all of your questions even before you actually asked them. That is what I do. I may be a newcomer here but I have been doing this a long time. I already know most of what you question. And I had already answered all of the questions you would most likely ever ask about the genealogy of Jesus as given by Matthew and Luke and where Mary fit into that and why and what it was all about.

Cege

Which geneaology are you referring to?

Chapters 1-9 of 1 Chronicles contains geneaologies; chapters 10-29 describe the reign of David. Chapters 1-9 of 2 Chronicles describe the reign of Solomon; chapters 10-36 describe the the Schism, and the History of the Kings of Judah. Source

Ezra the man or Ezra the book?

Deus Ex

The first gospel is said to have been written close to 70 CE, around the time the Temple was destroyed. The other gospels may have been written as late as 100 CE.

Would not the diaspora of the Jewish people make it very hard to double check genealogical records. In other words, the greek gospels seem to have been written for a gentile audience, who would never check genealogical records.

WVIncagold

Oh sorry what part of friendly flying super zombie Jew is inaccurate? should i have included invisible as well?
Also in no way was it directed at you personally.
But by all means discount the information because i didn't give the reverence you think you deserve.
So you can by association condemn me to and agonizing burning horrendous death and thats okay but because i don't happen to have reverence for your beloved imaginary friend thats childish?
Imaginary friends are childish to begin with so kettle black.
sorry since you appear to be thin skinned I will take a more reserved tone toward you and your friend Harvey when I address you but when it is not addressed to you personally I don't give a whit on what makes such thin skin bleed. consider it or not makes no difference to me at all.