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Old 02-15-2010, 05:54 AM   #11
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Someone read a savior into the LXX. let's call him Paul.

Later, someone wrote a fictional biography of the savior, let's call him Mark.

So, go ahead...
Did Paul regard the savior as fictional? And where did Mark pick up the idea of that savior? Over to you.
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So what. The funny part is that this argument works the other way as well.

Some guy preached end times.

He got executed.

Some other guys deified him.


Disprove it...
Look, it does work the other way around as well. The historical Jesus shouldn't be assumed, it needs to be shown as the best fit for the evidence. I would argue that it does, and I'm happy to do that.

There is an old saying: Shit or get off the pot. Time for the mythicists to step up, sit down and excrete their arguments. Do YOU have a case that you would like to argue, dog-on? Let's argue it.
GDon, this approach is not nice ---this is not a Dawkins forum you know...

And for crying out aloud - who the hell are you to tell mythicists that now is the time??? GDon, your impatience is getting the better of you and perhaps its time to cool it? Nobody here has to dance to your tune - to jump when you say they should jump. Please re-consider your approach here...
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Someone read a savior into the LXX. let's call him Paul.

Later, someone wrote a fictional biography of the savior, let's call him Mark.

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Did Paul regard the savior as fictional? And where did Mark pick up the idea of that savior? Over to you.
I am not Paul, so you have to ask him.... Oh right, he's dead....

Mark, ditto...
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And for crying out aloud - who the hell are you to tell mythicists that now is the time??? GDon your impatience is getting the better of you and perhaps its time to cool it? Nobody here has to dance to your tune - to jump when you say they should jump. Please re-consider your approach here...
Maryhelena, if you have a case that you would like to argue, then lets argue it. If you are still gathering your data, then fair enough. Just let me know when you have finished gathering your data. I can wait. But then lets have no nonsense that mythicists have some case that needs to be answered.

So which is it? Do you have a case that needs to be answered or not?
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Did Paul regard the savior as fictional? And where did Mark pick up the idea of that savior? Over to you.
I am not Paul, so you have to ask him.... Oh right, he's dead....

Mark, ditto...
:shrug: WTF? How do we proceed then?
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I am not Paul, so you have to ask him.... Oh right, he's dead....

Mark, ditto...
:dunno: How do we proceed then?
Well, I suppose you could tell me exactly who the HJ was and which evidence you are using to identify him.

At least then we wil know exactly who we are looking for.
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:dunno: How do we proceed then?
Well, I suppose you could tell me exactly who the HJ was and which evidence you are using to identify him.

At least then we wil know exactly who we are looking for.
Sure. He was an earthly man who was crucified in Paul's near past, probably in Jerusalem. Details are here: http://forum.richarddawkins.net/view...p?f=3&t=108778
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Well, I suppose you could tell me exactly who the HJ was and which evidence you are using to identify him.

At least then we wil know exactly who we are looking for.
Sure. He was an earthly man who was crucified in Paul's near past, probably in Jerusalem. Details are here: http://forum.richarddawkins.net/view...p?f=3&t=108778
There were probably quite a few "earthly" men crucified in Paul's near past, in Jerusalem.

So exactly who are you talking about?
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Sure. He was an earthly man who was crucified in Paul's near past, probably in Jerusalem. Details are here: http://forum.richarddawkins.net/view...p?f=3&t=108778
There were probably quite a few "earthly" men crucified in Paul's near past, in Jerusalem.

So exactly who are you talking about?
The one referred to by Paul as Jesus Christ.
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There were probably quite a few "earthly" men crucified in Paul's near past, in Jerusalem.

So exactly who are you talking about?
The one referred to by Paul as Jesus Christ.
Cool.

Now, let's look at your evidence.

Let's start with chain of custody.
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