Half-Life

9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

That is Matthew 17:9
http://www.carm.org/kjv/Matt/matt_17.htm

I would like to ask the atheists how Jesus KNEW he was going to raised from the dead if he was merely a "man" and not God who knows everything. How is this possible, atheists?

TySixtus

I'll believe this as soon as you prove:

1) That Jesus existed
2) That Jesus actually said that
3) That Jesus, if he did exist, actually did die that way

Until then, I'll treat it in the same realm of Zeus impregnating a woman in bovine form.

Ty

cjack

It is possible if (and only if) you let go of that death grip on the idea that every single word of the Gospels is accurate.

In other words, consider the possibility that those words were made up long after the fact in order to convince people that Jesus was the Messiah.

After that, it's easy.

p.s. I highly doubt that Jesus predicted or even said anything in "plain English," as the language didn't exist two thousand years ago.

Half-Life

9 And so they were saying to Him, "Where is Your Father?" Jesus answered, "You know neither Me, nor My Father; if you knew Me, you would know My Father also."

20 These words He spoke in the treasury, as He taught in the temple; and no one seized Him, because His hour had not yet come.

21 He said therefore again to them, "I go away, and you shall seek Me, and shall die in your sin; where I am going, you cannot come."

22 Therefore the Jews were saying, "Surely He will not kill Himself, will He, since He says, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come’?"

23 And He was saying to them, "You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world.

24 "I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins."

25 And so they were saying to Him, "Who are You?" Jesus said to them, "What have I been saying to you from the beginning?

26 "I have many things to speak and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and the things which I heard from Him, these I speak to the world."

27 They did not realize that He had been speaking to them about the Father.

28 Jesus therefore said, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me.

29 "And He who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to Him."

30 As He spoke these things, many came to believe in Him.

31 Jesus therefore was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you abide in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;

32 and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

http://www.carm.org/kjv/John/john_8.htm

Isn't this interesting? Many skeptics and Muslims like to claim Jesus NEVER said he was God. Please not verses 23 and 24. It is IMPOSSIBLE for Jesus NOT to be God by these claims. How can you justify this and claim Jesus never said he was God??

Half-Life

"plain english" is just an expression used when we mean something said clearly. Now, you must prove this was written after he died.

dongiovanni1976x

The burden of proof is upon you to demonstrate that this event was not conjecture, a redaction or a mere construction. The Christian is the one making a claim, an extraordinary claim at that, so extraordinary evidence is required of them, not the skeptic.

Why should we believe that this was said?

I will even acknowledge that I believe Jesus existed and was crucified.

John Kesler

ALL of the NT, including the gospels, was written after Jesus died.

cjack

Sorry, but the burden is on YOU to prove Jesus:

1. Actually existed.
2. Actually said those words.
3. Actually died that way.

And as you may have noticed, we don't accept the Bible as an accurate accounting of those alleged events.

Do you have any extra-biblical sources to back up your claim that Jesus predicted his own return as Zombie Jesus?

I'm gonna guess the answer is "no."

Thanks for playing.

Dr Rick

I would like to ask Half-Life how Obie Wan Knobi KNEW that he would come back after Darth Vader killed him if there isn't such a thing as The Force.

How is this possible, Half-Life?

John Kesler

There are obviously some begged questions here, but for the sake of argument, let's assume that Jesus predicted his resurrection. Matthew 26:32 records Jesus saying that, "after I am raised up, I will go ahead of you to Galilee." Matthew 28:7-10 has first an angel, the Jesus himself, tell the women that Jesus would meet the disciples in Galilee. Given this, why then would the risen Jesus appear not in Galilee as promised, but at a room in Jerusalem (Luke 24:36) with instructions not to leave Jerusalem until the day of Pentecost (Luke 24:49)?