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Toto · 06-23-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

Toto,

This thread seems to have vanished from the list of threads in BC&H.

Roger

I can see it.

Are you doing a search for new threads? That search will not show threads that you have already read.

Roger Pearse · 06-23-2011, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

Toto,

This thread seems to have vanished from the list of threads in BC&H.

Roger

I can see it.

Are you doing a search for new threads? That search will not show threads that you have already read.

Nope. All I'm doing is going to http://www.freeratio.org/forumdisplay.php?f=60 and expecting to see it in the list of threads. It's not there. My only access is via direct link.

Something weird is happening...

Toto · 06-23-2011, 12:16 PM

Clear your cache?

Is anyone else having this problem?

ApostateAbe · 06-23-2011, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toto

I can see it.

Are you doing a search for new threads? That search will not show threads that you have already read.

Nope. All I'm doing is going to http://www.freeratio.org/forumdisplay.php?f=60 and expecting to see it in the list of threads. It's not there. My only access is via direct link.

Something weird is happening...

Try logging out, check it, then log back in again? I see it just fine. It is titled, "Mithras split from Debate Help!" It was a split, so that might have something to do with it.

Roger Pearse · 06-23-2011, 04:55 PM

It was an option on me personally, to hide threads started by people on my ignore list and defaulted to yes. The option isn't one I remember seeing before, and perhaps it appeared in an upgrade some time back. Altering it fixes the problem!

Dave31 · 06-24-2011, 10:41 AM

Read through this thread to see Roger Pearse exposed as another biased Christian apologist out to dismiss credible evidence on this issue. For example, we should not expect to see ancient primary sources claiming Mithra (or any god) was born on December 25th because that is a Gregorian calendar date that did not exist until 1582. The December 25th birthdate of other sun gods like Mithra were born 3 days after the winter solstice regardless of complex calendars or calendar changes. Another example is the virgin birth of Mithra is dismissed by Roger and other apologists due to being born from a rock; as if the rock had sex. They have to invent silly hand-waving dismissals based in a severe lack of objectivity, logic or reason.

Forum thread - Mithra: The Pagan Christ

Mithra: The Pagan Christ

Video

The last supper concepts may be found in Mithraism and Osiris of Egypt as explained here.

ApostateAbe · 06-24-2011, 11:06 AM

Rocks are virgins, Roger Pearse, everybody knows that.

ApostateAbe · 06-24-2011, 11:10 AM

Checkmate, Roger Pearse.

Toto · 06-24-2011, 11:20 AM

Was Mithras born of a rock (however virginal) or from the virgin goddess Anahita? I don't think that being born (or carved) from a rock is at all comparable to being born parthenogenically from a woman, however much you squint at it.

Acharya S as Diane Murdoch has a paper here giving the case for Anahita.

Quote:

To our knowledge at this time, Mithra was not openly depicted in the Roman cultus as having been birthed by a mortal woman or a goddess; hence, it is claimed that he was not "born of a virgin." As we have seen, however, a number of writers have asserted otherwise, including modern Persian, Armenian and other scholars who, from all the evidence previously provided, are apparently reflecting an ancient tradition from Near Eastern Mithraism. In this regard, Nabarz remarks:

Due to her popularity, another deity who retained a good deal of her importance in the new religion [of Zoroastrianism] was the water goddess Anahita, who is sometimes referred to as Mithra's virgin mother or as his partner.⁵¹

and

Quote:

The ‘Rock-Born’ and ‘Mountain-Born’

Even if we ignore all the evidence of the pre-Christian parthenogenetic creatrix within Near Eastern Mithraism, we may find that the "rock-born" motif emphasized in imagery of the Roman period likewise represents a virgin birth, out of matter. The words "matter" or "material" are derived from the Latin māteria, sharing the root māter, meaning "mother, source, origin." This etymological fact shows a perception in the Roman world that linked matter and mother, which also manifested itself in the "Mountain Mama" concept found elsewhere.

The problem I have with this is that there are too many broad themes that fit into a general pattern. You might as well say that all religions involve a god or someone like him coming into the world somehow and doing something and leaving. Does this really prove anything or tell you anything of interest?

And a lot of the notable common elements seem to show up after Christianity, when either Christian missionaries are trying to prove to the pagans that their own myths are just a pale imitation of the Christ myth, or are not really threatening to a pagan ruler, or the pagans are recasting their own myths in Christian terms.

Roger Pearse · 06-24-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

Rocks are virgins, Roger Pearse, everybody knows that.

When's the wedding, then?

And yes, you will be walking funny after the honeymoon.

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06-23-2011, 12:16 PM	#13
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Clear your cache? Is anyone else having this problem?

06-23-2011, 04:55 PM	#15
Roger Pearse Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: N/A Posts: 4,370	It was an option on me personally, to hide threads started by people on my ignore list and defaulted to yes. The option isn't one I remember seeing before, and perhaps it appeared in an upgrade some time back. Altering it fixes the problem!

06-24-2011, 10:41 AM	#16
Dave31 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Posts: 425	Read through this thread to see Roger Pearse exposed as another biased Christian apologist out to dismiss credible evidence on this issue. For example, we should not expect to see ancient primary sources claiming Mithra (or any god) was born on December 25th because that is a Gregorian calendar date that did not exist until 1582. The December 25th birthdate of other sun gods like Mithra were born 3 days after the winter solstice regardless of complex calendars or calendar changes. Another example is the virgin birth of Mithra is dismissed by Roger and other apologists due to being born from a rock; as if the rock had sex. They have to invent silly hand-waving dismissals based in a severe lack of objectivity, logic or reason. Forum thread - Mithra: The Pagan Christ Mithra: The Pagan Christ Video The last supper concepts may be found in Mithraism and Osiris of Egypt as explained here.

06-24-2011, 11:06 AM	#17
ApostateAbe Contributor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MT Posts: 10,656	Rocks are virgins, Roger Pearse, everybody knows that.

06-24-2011, 11:10 AM	#18
ApostateAbe Contributor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MT Posts: 10,656	Checkmate, Roger Pearse.

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