Clouseau

The post you should have chosen contains this:

'And as I say, I don't think that people actually believe YEC unless they are of pretty low educational standards. Even a reasonably bright 12-yr-old can see through Gish, Ham and co.'

the Radio Star

Let me thrust into the discussion that YEC is the most arrogant and anthrocentric worldview possible. It claims that the modern humans are so important to the universe that there was no universe before they came along. Which is just more evidence of my stance that religion is only the worship of humanity. Just my two cents.

Johnny Skeptic

But what the Bible needs (ought) to say is the primary issue. What does wishing have to do with anything?

Amaleq13

Please stick to the thread topic and avoid irrelevant tangents about YEC, same-sex marriage in Canada, etc.


Amaleq13, BC&H moderator

the Radio Star

"Thou shalt not attack strawmen."
"Thou shalt not use me for political purposes."
"Thou shalt not think that ancient goat herders had a better grasp on reality than more recent philosophers and scientists."

stp2007

I'm going to pass on answering this. Mainly because I feel I already have. If you review the thread you will see that I've acknowledged and responded to every one of your comments including the one mentioned above. I've also stated that I'm not sure what your point is and that we seem to be discussing separate things. If you feel strongly I suggest you create a new thread and if interested I will respond. I agree with the moderator this is getting off topic and I can't seem to keep it on topic nor understand what exactly your issue is.

To hop back on the topic track let me say...

Radio Star I agree with your last three points and raise you with ...

"Thou shalt get along with all people irregardless of their religion, race, sex, sexual preference, demographic class. Basically everyone."

"Thou shalt not lie, cheat, steal or kill and that means all the time. I see everything and doing it to support me is just as bad."

"Thou shalt not make more from religion then it takes to live a comfortable (but not too comfortable) life and definitely not more then everyone around you."

the Radio Star

Something I wish they had edited down - Leviticus. I'm trying to read the Bible all the way through, but I had to skim most of that book. Christians don't even consider it important anymore, anyway.

Boro Nut

It's a cunning plot by the devil. Stage 1 is to lull everybody into a false sense of security by making them forget all about Leviticus, and then unleash a devastating plague of leprosy. The few devout survivors wise enough to have maintained a sufficient stock of emergency pigeons will nevertheless be wiped out during stage 2, as they forlornly scan the pages for any mention of a cure for bird flu.

Boro Nut

mountainman

As a realist, who has made a study of political history, I find
it necessary to continually remind people who use the term
"conspiracy" that it is totally unnecessary in such a political
environment in which the absolute and supreme (life and death)
power over all people, was in the will and hands of the Caesar.

Roman emperors did not need to "conspire" with such absolute
power at their command. They simply gave orders, and those
orders were enacted ---- end of story ---- no conspiracy was
required because they had all the power already.

One hunded years before the council of Nicaea, the warlord and
military supremacist of the Persians, Ardashir, gave the orders
for a new religion to come into being. It was to be called
Zoroastrianism, and to be based on the "sacred Persian fire",
and its holy writings were gleaned from a number (17?) of
ancient hymns, called "The Avesta", descendent from the
pre-existent Parthian civilisation. Ardashir used "The Avesta"
as a basis for his legal code.

Once Ardashir created the new monotheistic religion out of
a midrash of "The Avesta", he destroyed practically every
written line of literature from the previously existent Parthian
civilisation, and ruled the new nation of Iran by means of
the army and the new religion.

His deathbed advice to his son Shapur was this:

“Consider the Fire Altar
and the Throne as inseparable
as to sustain each other."

The rules of both Adashir and Shapur and the Roman
His rule was the will of God”. Terry Jones in his book
Barbarians puts it this way" ...

The “Logic” was that religion provided justice, the basis of an
ordered society that could sustain military expenditure”
The MANTRA was that …….

‘There can be no power without an Army’
‘There can be no Army without Money’
‘There can be no Money without Agriculture’
‘There can be no Agriculture without Justice’

Now, all the above is directly applicable to the rise of Constantine.
He did not use "The Avesta", he used "The Hebrew Bible".

Moreover, he commenced a persecution and destruction campaign
against his own indigenous Hellenic Religions, and their temples,
which he openly plundered and robbed of their gold and art and
sculpture. Had he had the chance, he would have completely
destroyed the ancient forerunning Hellenic (Greek) traditions
(Greeks after all were just another form of non-Roman barbarians)
just as Ardashir actually destroyed the Parthian literature, art,
religions, etc, etc. ...... only he did not complete this task.

ABSOLUTE MILITARY POWER of the form clearly and
historically determinable in the centuries of antiquity (1-4)
and petty-miserable "conspiracy theorising" must not be
confused with one another. Let's be clear about this.

the Radio Star

I've had it with trying to read the entire Bible. I think I'll just finish the New Testament, Psalms, Proverbs, and maybe Isaiah and Job. Who in the hell cares about 1 Samuel?