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Doug Shaver · 03-26-2010, 05:48 AM

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But how can humans decide what is and what isn't the "Word of God?"

They believe God has let them know, one way or another.

kennyc · 03-26-2010, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

But how can humans decide what is and what isn't the "Word of God?"

They believe God has let them know, one way or another.

Uh, right, so then why the differences of opinion?

Dutch_labrat · 03-26-2010, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

But how can humans decide what is and what isn't the "Word of God?"

That's the real question isn't it?

If you agree with it it must be from Glod, if you don't it must be from Satan.

Simple really.

kennyc · 03-26-2010, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

But how can humans decide what is and what isn't the "Word of God?"

That's the real question isn't it?

If you agree with it it must be from Glod, if you don't it must be from Satan.

Simple really.

Why? Life is not in black and white, there is a full spectrum.

Equinox · 03-26-2010, 07:39 AM

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kennyc · 03-26-2010, 07:55 AM

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Audio courses by top notch professors are available on this subject for download. here are two great ones that are well worth the cost:

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Equinox

Those are not FREE! Sheesh.

I'm sure all that information is available Free on various websites. No need to pay $500 for it.

Voice of reason · 03-26-2010, 08:12 AM

Such a difficult choice. Do you trust the persons who lived ate and slept with Jesus? Or do you trust the writings of someone who only saw Jesus in resurrected form for a small amount of time?

I think the people who put together the bible made grave errors in reasoning.

ApostateAbe · 03-26-2010, 08:21 AM

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A few years ago I heard it mentioned on the History Channel (which I've heard isn't the most accurate of resources) that there were books removed from the Bible because they were considered unimportant or contradicted the views of the Church. I've searched on Google but can't find any independent resources on the subject, only Evangelical Christian websites and something that included UFOs. Could anyone direct me to any websites that confirm or debunk this? Thanks.

Bart Ehrman wrote a book titled, Lost Christianities (or via: amazon.co.uk), and it is a book that you can pick up used for cheap, or you can read an incomplete version for free on Google Books. It is all about the early Christian heresies (including from the 1st, 2nd and 3rd centuries), many that are surprisingly radical compared to the heresies of today (most of which at least roughly adhere to the Nicene creed). I can personally confirm that, yes, early Christians left out a lot of Christian gospels, letters and books from the canon, mainly because they were considered heretical from the proto-orthodox perspective, but also because they were seen as redundant, unlikely or irrelevant.

Toto · 03-26-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Equinox

Audio courses by top notch professors are available on this subject for download. here are two great ones that are well worth the cost:

http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/CourseDe....aspx?cid=6299

http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/CourseDe....aspx?cid=6593

Equinox

both by Bart Ehman

History of the Bible: The Making of the New Testament Canon

Lost Christianities: Christian Scriptures and the Battles over Authentication

There are occasional sales.

Roger Pearse · 03-26-2010, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by KittyKatBlack

A few years ago I heard it mentioned on the History Channel (which I've heard isn't the most accurate of resources) that there were books removed from the Bible because they were considered unimportant or contradicted the views of the Church. I've searched on Google but can't find any independent resources on the subject, only Evangelical Christian websites and something that included UFOs. Could anyone direct me to any websites that confirm or debunk this? Thanks.

It isn't true. The canon more or less evolved into shape, and there was no one point at which people ever felt they had the authority to make decisions.

The best book on the canon is Metzger's "The canon of the NT", if you ignore the commentary and just look at the raw data presented.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

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03-26-2010, 07:39 AM	#15
Equinox Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 897	Audio courses by top notch professors are available on this subject for download. here are two great ones that are well worth the cost: http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/CourseDe....aspx?cid=6299 http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/CourseDe....aspx?cid=6593 Equinox

03-26-2010, 08:12 AM	#17
Voice of reason Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Blue planet Posts: 2,250	Such a difficult choice. Do you trust the persons who lived ate and slept with Jesus? Or do you trust the writings of someone who only saw Jesus in resurrected form for a small amount of time? I think the people who put together the bible made grave errors in reasoning.

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