cybergeek

As the following articles from bbc mention, a certain islamic cleric has come under fire
from various women's groups and the Spanish law.
What for? for publishing a book on wife beating.
Not against it but how to do it without leaving any physical traces that could incriminate
the abusive husband.
For more info regarding this check out the links below.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3396597.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/849029.stm

Space Chef

It might sound racist, but who cares? I really fucking hate Muslims. I dislike them more every day. Besides, I'm not saying I hate all Arab/Middle Eastern people. And, I also hate alot of atheists, so .

Toto

Already a thread here: Religious freedom no defense for wife beating

Riada

Okay, but the women being beaten don't have to be religious to be abused. They are the ones to care about, since apparently nobody around them gives a damn.

This does not surprise me, but it sickens me as it does every time I hear such news. People have mentioned in other threads that they hate Christianity because they have had more exposure to it, and I think I'm in the same boat...I forget that there are religions that produce as much violence and hatred as Christianity, if not more so.

-Riada

sharon45

This is true because christianity was a baseless attack and corruption of Judaism without enough real understanding of the religion, thus also allowing others to in time do the same with christianity. Judaism had already put in many fail-safes within their writings to try to prevent this from happening, such as Deut. 13, 18, along with 4, and the much misunderstood and avioded, Jer. 31:31-34. But, no amount of fail-safes in mere writings can stop outright greed, ignorance, and corruption from in time taking over.

Amos

That is not exactly true. Catholicism is a genuine grafted branch of Judaism and Christianity is a perversion of Catholicsm and because Christianity is a perversion things went wrong in Christendom.

You are correct that Christianity doesn't understand either Judaism or Catholicism and that is why the Reformation isolated them as heretics.

sharon45

Catholicism is an obvious corrupted form of Judaism, just in celebrating jesus as the expected Jewish Messiah, which even the OT clears shows him not to be, is already enough of an example the creators of catholicism did not enough understand Judaism, so they were far from a 'grafted branch' of the belief as you put it. If that kind of graft had been for a real fruit tree, it would have died.

With respect to the OP, the further away religions of Judaism, added their own brand of dealing with their followers because they didn't understand or agree its origin teachings.

Amos

Except that we do not want Jesus to be your Messiah for if Jesus had been your Messiah you would no longer be a Jew (I take it you are Jewish). Of course Jews can�t understand that or they would no longer be Jews and here you are telling me that Catholics don�t understand!

Catholicism is not even close to Judaism and does not want to be close to Judaism except in that both are mystery religions. Catholicism took the best of Judaism and ran away with it leaving Judaism far behind with regard to insight and knowledge of how to lead a civilization into the future.

Yes we are a legitimate grafted branch and draw our wisdom directly for God. This is made clear in Luke where we took the lineage from Joseph via the son right back to Adam-to-God and never looked back at the recorded lineage of Matthew that stopped at Abraham. This kind of means that we don�t care about your God of Abraham because we have our own and use whatever Judaism has to offer to the best of our ability. Catholicism is like a branch that was grafted onto a relatively small tree (nice mythology), that now overshadows the entire tree and is actually casting its shadow on the God of Abraham, Isaac and Joseph. Lucky for Judaism that we have our own infidels who are now reviving Judaism so they can play second fiddle in the Theatre of the Absurd.

(((The Absurd Theatre can be seen as an attempt to restore the importance of myth and ritual to our age, by making man aware of the ultimate realities of his condition, by instilling in him again the lost sense of cosmic wonder and primeval anguish. The Absurd Theatre hopes to achieve this by shocking man out of an existence that has become trite, mechanical and complacent. It is felt that there is mystical experience in confronting the limits of human condition.)))

sharon45

Amos, that is a 'good' speech, but has nothing really to do with the OP, and did in no way prove against what I had written right before. In fact, your speech even more so proved me correct, so I really don't need to do a point by point taking apart process, because its not needed or appropriate with concern to the OP.

Amos

It's bang-on girl (I hope you'r female), and right to the point. I have a great respect for Judaism but wanted to separate Catholicism from Christianity since you made a slam against them. In this you did not exclude Catholicism and you probably did not mean to either, but that's OK, I'll just be the Watchman here.

You strayed from the OP and I just set the record straight for those who might be concerned.