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Old 09-22-2007, 05:59 PM   #11
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Because, Clouseau, since natural virgin birth is already possible among some animal species, there would be no need for God to miraculously inciminate Mary. He could've simply allowed natural, human virgin birth.
So which pregnant teenager has used that excuse?
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So which pregnant teenager has used that excuse?
What excuse? I thought you'd be open-minded on this, Clouseau, or at least that my Materialistic Brain-Washing Techniqueâ„¢ would do the trick.
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"I haven't had sex, Dad, honest. It's parthenogenesis, like those greenfly you get on the roses."
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"I haven't had sex, Dad, honest. It's parthenogenesis, like those greenfly you get on the roses."
There's a non-sequiter if I ever saw one.

Of course, virgin birth would need some tough explaining for a bronze-age teenage girl. I guess the only thing that we must accept is God did it!
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Old 09-22-2007, 06:11 PM   #15
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"I haven't had sex, Dad, honest. It's parthenogenesis, like those greenfly you get on the roses."
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There's a non-sequiter if I ever saw one.
Surely you can follow your own argument.

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Of course, virgin birth would need some tough explaining for a bronze-age teenage girl.
So it's the usual modern excuse, is it? I know I'm getting on a bit, but times do seem to have changed!
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Surely you can follow your own argument.
I wasn't arguing that Mary gave birth to Jesus naturally via parthenogenesis. That would be stupid. I was arguing what God should've done to make it more likely, and thus more believable. But I guess God holds onto all that is unlikely, no? How do the reported unlikely events in the Bible make the Bible more believable?

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So it's the usual modern excuse, is it? I know I'm getting on a bit, but times do seem to have changed!
Again, I guess the only thing we must accept is that God did it! By what reasoning, Clouseau, have you come to this?
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I wasn't arguing that Mary gave birth to Jesus naturally via parthenogenesis. That would be stupid.
Indeed.
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No, no. We don't stamp our feet to do that. We stamp our feet to insist that the supernatural cannot happen.
The supernatural cannot happen- or at least it is astronomically unlikely- due to the uniformity of natural laws.

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Miracles don't defy all sense. Give your leg a rest.
Then by what sense do they go by?

Anyways, I didn't see this post, so sorry about the very late response.
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No, no. We don't stamp our feet to do that. We stamp our feet to insist that the supernatural cannot happen.
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The supernatural cannot happen- or at least it is astronomically unlikely- due to the uniformity of natural laws.
Natural law obviously cannot apply to the supernatural, or it would not be supernatural- we do know what the word means here, do we? One cannot say that, because natural laws generally apply, they must always do so. It may be that natural laws exist partly in order to point out the supernatural. The whole purpose of the locally supernatural could be to draw attention to the existence of the universally supernatural. To exclude its possibility is surely to take a closed-minded attitude.
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My contribution to the list.

Genesis 3:24 He drove out the man; and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.

I always ask bible literalists if they truly believe there are cherubim and a flaming sword out there somewhere right now in Mesopotamia.
I don't think you will find many here, so jump off that bedecked horse.
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