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Old 06-17-2012, 07:59 PM   #11
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I don't understand. How could Christians consider one of their holy books to be in error?? I have never heard of this.
You need to learn more about Christianity - or is this some sort of mock horror?

Christianity never took its texts literally until a few centuries ago. For most of Christian history, the laity were forbidden from reading scripture because it just might confuse them, and the Bible was written in various dead languages in any case. Only priests were in on the mystery. Any apparent contradictions were not errors, and anyone who disagreed might be burnt at the stake to make that clear.
excellent point most dont know.


only a select few were allowed to even teach/preach this, most were followers just trying to survive
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In that case who were the apologists writing for and why did some actually bother to try reconciling contradictions even if unsuccessfully?! In any case I can't imagine any believer claiming error in texts they believed to be sacred and divine, whether literal or not.

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You need to learn more about Christianity - or is this some sort of mock horror?

Christianity never took its texts literally until a few centuries ago. For most of Christian history, the laity were forbidden from reading scripture because it just might confuse them, and the Bible was written in various dead languages in any case. Only priests were in on the mystery. Any apparent contradictions were not errors, and anyone who disagreed might be burnt at the stake to make that clear.
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In Acts 9 it is claimed Saul did MEET the Apostles and traveled with them but in Galatians 1 Paul claimed he ONLY met Peter and James.

In Acts 9 there is NO mention of King Aretas when Paul was in the basket by the wall in Damascus but in 2 Cor. 11.31-33 the writer mentioned the King.
Why did the Pauline author want to contradict Acts of the Apostles re: these two particular subjects?
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In that case who were the apologists writing for and why did some actually bother to try reconciling contradictions even if unsuccessfully?! ...
Other committed Christians in their inner circle. And the point, as now, is not to actually reconcile contradictions. It is to let the committed Christian think that some resolution is possible.
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Then it sounds like those literati couldn't see the contradictions and inconsistencies.
It would be hard to take flagrant contradictions in a non-literal fashion.
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In Acts 9 it is claimed Saul did MEET the Apostles and traveled with them but in Galatians 1 Paul claimed he ONLY met Peter and James.

In Acts 9 there is NO mention of King Aretas when Paul was in the basket by the wall in Damascus but in 2 Cor. 11.31-33 the writer mentioned the King.
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Why did the Pauline author want to contradict Acts of the Apostles re: these two particular subjects?
I really do not deal with speculation. I can tell what I found WRITTEN in the NT.

The birth narratives in gMatthew and gLuke have many differences so we can say that one or both were lying or wrote KNOWN fiction but why they Documented those differences is another matter.

For some unknown reason, the Pauline writer decided to change the story in Acts 9.
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For some unknown reason, the Pauline writer decided to change the story in Acts 9.
OK. I just thought there might be some obscure theological reason for the contradiction.
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For some unknown reason, the Pauline writer decided to change the story in Acts 9.
OK. I just thought there might be some obscure theological reason for the contradiction.
There's no "obscure" theological reason - it's blatant. In Paul's letters, he is slipping from King Aretas' henchmen in a dramatic escape. The author of Acts changes this to cast "the Jews" as the villains, chasing after Paul to prevent him from preaching the true gospel. It's part of the theme of Acts.

In Paul's letters, he meets the so-called pillars of the Jerusalem Church and sneers at their authority. In Acts, he is in concert with all the early church leaders, and it's a big love fest (except for "the Jews.")

This has all the subtlety of a political cartoon in modern newspapers.
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Then it sounds like those literati couldn't see the contradictions and inconsistencies.
It would be hard to take flagrant contradictions in a non-literal fashion.
there were many different movements and beliefs in a evolutionary cycle before canonization.


paul had his two cents, and was trying to be effective as possible with his messages. It didnt really mirror common belief or theology, it was just his version and because he could write, were stuck with it.
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IN my experience, somebody who says "I am not lying" knows that his audience believes he/she had been lying at least occasionally.
It is like Nixon on TV saying "I am not a crook": he knew many in the audience thought he had been a crook.
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