WVIncagold

Well that explains allot. It is so easy to assume he is another well educated theist. My bad.
Also my apologies to Little John.

WilliamRS

The first statement is IMO irrefutable but the cause of the lack is not known. The second statement supposes you know the motivation of the Vatican and this we know to be untrue. This is simply a supposition based on your own bias. I find it highly likely that the Vatican has effectively covered up the real Jesus story for many centuries and that moreover, they aspired to cover up any similar information that was to be had across the Atlantic Ocean. The Vatican has a history of destroying information that doesn't suit it's purpose. What it's purpose is should be clear, the spiritual and psychic enslavement of any who fall under it's domination.

Yes that does involve a vast conspiracy but the success of the Vatican and it's great power to me is proof of the conspiracy.

I for one will be interested to read Littlejohns book if it comes out in English.

Sheshbazzar

Littlejohn first....

Toto

It appears from what I can make out that Littlejohn refers to the Virgin Mary, but does not claim that she was a virgin when she conceived and gave birth.

I have taken the liberty of removing your previous post that was based on a misunderstanding.

WVIncagold

America is not a race. How is anything i said racist?

A difference without distinction. the end result is exactly the same. It is nothing more than your opinion without evidence. An opinion mind you that you could easily ascribe to being divinely inspired off the box of your breakfast cereal for all I know.

do it a million times. It matters little since it has the exact same weight when it comes to burden of proof. That number is zero.

Exactly my point you have given me nothing but your word. I Nigerian prince has given me his word that he will deposit 200,000 dollars into my bank account. I do not believe him either.



I will just chalk this up to a language barrier.

I understand quite well despite the language barrier. You want to push your opinion as fact. that fine just expect me to take it as facts when you have given me nothing to base the decision on. Are you not interested in common discourse? How can questions being asked about your opinion that you have made a prima fascia assertion be interpreted as impeding others? who am I impeding? Or is it that you just wish I swallowed your opinion like it was fact without a single bit of evidence to the contrary.

Thanks I understand quite fine.

You are making the claim (let me rephrase it a bit and send my claim back to you) thus,
Superman is real and came to us from the planet Krypton to save all mankind. I am privy to books and scrolls from eons ago from Krypton that nobody else is privy to. Yet I cannot produce said documents because if I do others will attempt to steal the knowledge that I hold.
So do you now believe Superman is real? Or is just my unsubstantiated opinion and why?



think supernatural magic and the like. is derogatory for magic think.



Ok any evidence Jesus as portrayed in the bible existed at all? How about the whole census that was used to bring them to Bethlehem? Did your research find this census that no other scholar was able to find? Releasing it would not hurt your book because if you found it other will as well.: cool:


Ummmm me. Are you purposely being obtuse?



I think I have asked. E...V...I...D....E...N...C...E. Actually any would be fine right now it is nothing more than unsupported assertion by you. Sorry but I find you highly unconvincing.

The same thing has been done with Moby Dick. It still reeks of divination and since you cannot provide evidence, regardless of reason, I must interpret it as nothing more then unsupported delusions of a anonymous poster on a far away message board.

So you are using tea leaves? Not sure what gets you off but tea aint my thing.



Yes i can see why.

des•o•late (ds-lt, dz-)
adj.
1.
a. Devoid of inhabitants; deserted: "streets which were usually so thronged now grown desolate" (Daniel Defoe).
b. Barren; lifeless: the rocky, desolate surface of the moon.
2. Rendered unfit for habitation or use: the desolate cities of war-torn Europe.
3. Dreary; dismal.
4. Bereft of friends or hope; sad and forlorn.

I highlighted the parts that could be referring to what you mean. But again Why should I accept your word over thousands of scholars who have made it their life’s work? Especially since you provide me with nothing but unsupported assertion.




Why would you run away are you not able to present your evidence so it may be scrutinized. Sorry if you want blind assertions to be accepted do not come to a free thought and rational forum. But we are all happy to review your opinions and any evidence you my present. Just keep in mind that until you provide evidence it is nothing more than unsupported assertion. Besides you are providing me tons of amusment.

WVIncagold

Thanks Toto I appreciate it.

Littlejohn

Finally a 'breath of fresh air! ...

Fortunately, I see that people of common sense ('good sense' in italian) are no exception in this forum .....

"...I find it highly likely that the Vatican has effectively covered up the real Jesus story for many centuries.."

Unfortunately, all that was not painless ... The Cathars have paid with a cruel genocide for what it was in their knowledge: namely the true story of Jesus, his mother, James and all the other evangelic characters.

Idem for what concerns the order of the Templars, killed for the same reason: that is, for a truth which they had 'borrowed' directly from the Sobiai/Mandaeans, who, in their time, were also called 'Christians of St. John the Baptist '(or simply 'johannites'), in the mistaken belief that John had been a 'christian' and not a gnostic teacher as he was in reality. (at his school flourished, as well as Jesus, Simon Magus and Dositheus, which certainly knew Jesus!)

"...There is absolutely NO contemporary evidence that there even was an actual living flesh and blood 'Virgin Mary' or 'Jebus of Nazareth'.."

This emeritus author of 'bullshit' (stronzate in italian), has turned the 'theory' of non-historical existence of Jesus of Nazareth in a true dogma, and now defends it as (and worse also!) the Catholics are doing with their dogma! ... Truely raving a thing!

"...I for one will be interested to read Littlejohns book if it comes out in English..."

Thank you for your trust!..

I'm 'caressing' the idea, once finished the composition of the book, to groped for a its translation into English, with a view to possible publication in America, rather that in Italy, where surely i would go encounter to the fierce ostracism of the Vatican. However, the aspect most 'disturbing' about the whole thing is, for the moment, the prospect of having to find a publisher brave enough to decide the publishing of book, having regard to its 'deflagrating' contents for the 'holy' lies of the clergy!


Greetings


Littlejohn

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Sheshbazzar

Ooooooh! The Vatican and Catholicism are just so terrified! You are going to let all of that deep dark secret information, and 'real' history that they have worked so hard for the last two thousand years to hide, and had to destroy all those millions to conceal!!

You are so so... brave! Aren't you afraid they will come after you and your book? Don't know the Inquisition is still secretly operating their torture chambers deep under the Vatican? They'll simply have to kill you.

Guess we won't need to be figuring out your convoluted claims much longer.

Littlejohn

"..Ooooooh! The Vatican and Catholicism are just so terrified!.."

I did not know you were a 'paladin' of the Vatican! .. What is this? ... Are you a Swiss Guard in premium license? ..

"..You are going to let all of that deep dark secret information.."

It so happens that the link (or entry) to my forum has been made to disappear from the pages of Google (though it remained in those Yahoo!). In another forum, attended by people writing all over the world, one of my thread had reached over 110,000 'contacts' (and I apologize if it is little!). Now the forum is no longer accessible ... All 'casual', just? ..

In any forums in which I write, there's always a 'clap' of catholic-fundamentalists that attack me 'fiercely', even by claiming to be 'atheists' (more or less what happens here!), and this is because the Vatican's strategists have solved that by presenting their reasons through mock atheists to their service, they become more credible.(sic!)

Usually on the Italian forums I'm attacked by catholic-fundamentalists and fake atheists, while the true atheists and the agnostics really have nothing to be criticized in my writing, inasmuch saying that Jesus was a real historical figure does not mean to say that God exists, since he has been a man and not a God or son of God! .. The fact that Jesus, during certain periods of own life (obviously outside of Palestine), said the one, was only for better live on shoulders of the gullibles: exactly as is the case today with his 'heirs'!

Your skepticism and that of your 'mates snack', about the historicity of Jesus and of his real historical vicissitude, is determined by an absolute ignorance of the facts, typical of those who propose itself using arrogance, as hoping with this to hide what even a child would understand !....

The clergy is composed of unscrupulous individuals, but certainly not fools! They understood perfectly what you would not understand in the course of your lifetime! ..

They are well aware of the potential danger represented from me, and try to impede me in any way: especially with the use of 'pasdarans' willing to sacrifice their dignity of reasonable people, just to try to fight me as best they can. Most often, if not always, they flee away with his tail between his legs!

"..You are so so... brave! Aren't you afraid they will come after you and your book? Don't know the Inquisition is still secretly operating their torture chambers deep under the Vatican? They'll simply have to kill you..."

I see you're confirming your role as a defense lawyer of the Vatican...The thing does not surprise me, as I had guessed the one. This is because often, on the Italian forums, I 'clash' with fake atheists who pose as defenders of the 'holy' truth of faith!

Do you think your ridiculous sarcasm it makes you a 'guy' more intelligent than the one that actually you are not?... In reality all that is merely reiterating your limited intellectual resources, which do not allow you to subdorare the historical evidence to which I'm refering!

"...Guess we won't need to be figuring out your convoluted claims much longer..."

As 'twisted' there is only your 'coarse' ignorance, which I doubt it will can evolve into something that even remotely resembles to the knowledge...


Littlejohn


PS: I reiterate the advice: come back you to playing with Big Jim and leave in peace the exegetical, which is not for you ....

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Gawen

*laffin*