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Starboy · 06-05-2004, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

No, I find it convincing for particular reasons. Through reading the Bible, personal experience, the doctrine of Christianity over other religions, the success of Christianity, the mirror image of Islam's god to the things humans like best. I have my reasons, which while may not be acceptable to you, are convincing enough for me.

If your reasons are only convincing to your self then why talk about them to anyone else? Unless of course you want to hold those reasons to a different standard than you would hold any other reason?

Starboy

TySixtus · 06-05-2004, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

Why should i defend it? I don't particularly care what you think of God. You can think He is evil all you want, doesn't change my views one bit. You're spiritually discerned, and will never understand it. Its kind of a waste of time to try to defend it to a wall. Believe what you want.

That was the equivalent to plugging your fingers into your ears and going 'Nya Nya Nya I'm not listening'!

Atleast you didn't try to make some shit up. Everything I said was true. And you're absolutely right, you can believe whatever you want.

Ty

mrmoderate · 06-05-2004, 11:53 AM

I for one do not believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the prophesied Hebrew Christ and the incarnation of God Himself because I was told, or "conditiioned" to believe so.

I actually turned from God and especially Jesus the Christ because of perceived conditioning. It was through my studies of the bible along with studies of other religions and philosophy's that brought me to my belief in Jesus Christ as my Saviour.

By this means, I have become a stupid, superstitious, unthinking person by my thought provoked studies. Therefore, intellect and thinking leads to stupid, superstition?

Starboy · 06-05-2004, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mrmoderate

I for one do not believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the prophesied Hebrew Christ and the incarnation of God Himself because I was told, or "conditiioned" to believe so.

I actually turned from God and especially Jesus the Christ because of perceived conditioning. It was through my studies of the bible along with studies of other religions and philosophy's that brought me to my belief in Jesus Christ as my Saviour.

By this means, I have become a stupid, superstitious, unthinking person by my thought provoked studies. Therefore, intellect and thinking leads to stupid, superstition?

Sounds like a crock to me. The part that gave you away was the "conditioning" to turn away from god. There is no such conditioning. The idea is to create a country were there is freedom of relgion. Make a note of that. And what other religions did you study and why did you reject them?

Starboy

Newton Joseph · 06-05-2004, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xorbie

It's not an insult to me. Care to try again, without resorting to the use of "

" in place of an actual argument, with an actual point? I find that arguments such as those found in the OP are more of an insult to thinking person than Christianity. Not to say that I can't be convinced otherwise, but this certainly isn't going to cut it.

Here's a little nudge in the right direction though - you might want to consider why something which is inherently irrational (which I assume you claim Christianity is, if not then I'm not sure what your point is) is an insult to any thinking person. Many people consider love fairly irrational. Is love an insult to any thinking person.

WHY ARE YOU GOING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX WITH YOUR LOVE?

Heathen Dawn · 06-05-2004, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Newton Joseph

ONE SIZE FITS ALL
By New 10.
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Christianity should be an insult to any thinking person, BUT Christianity has nothing to do with THINKING. Religion ( Christianity) is a conditioned response to life’s experience in certain prescribed ways that make it pathological in the sense that one size fits all (rigid)

Da Athiest Preacher speaks.

Valdemar · 06-05-2004, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mrmoderate

By this means, I have become a stupid, superstitious, unthinking person by my thought provoked studies. Therefore, intellect and thinking leads to stupid, superstition?

Your mistake is that you are assuming that the Bible is true before you even start, or it would be impossible to come to this conclusion.

Magus55 · 06-05-2004, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by QueenofSwords

It's interesting that the christian afterlife promises at least two of the things that many people enjoy - 1. gold, precious stones and other valuables 2. the suffering of their enemies.

1) Heaven contains those gems. How is that actually a reward? Its not like there is anything to buy with them. Yes it may be very pretty, but not really something I care about. And of course those gems described in Revelation could be symbolically describing the array of colors and brightness eminating through Heaven.

2) How is this a reward? There are only a couple people to ever live that it would be hard to feel sorry for in Hell ( ie. Hitler, Stalin type). Watching people serve out their fate because they rejected God is not a reward.

Magus55 · 06-05-2004, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Valdemar

Your mistake is that you are assuming that the Bible is true before you even start, or it would be impossible to come to this conclusion.

I don't think I ever assumed the Bible was true. I grew up reading the Torah and I don't believe I ever held it to absolutely be the truth. I certaintly had no opinions of the NT growing up, other than it was the "Christian" part of the Bible.

Valdemar · 06-05-2004, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

I don't think I ever assumed the Bible was true. I grew up reading the Torah and I don't believe I ever held it to absolutely be the truth. I certaintly had no opinions of the NT growing up, other than it was the "Christian" part of the Bible.

My mistake. I meant that as a Christian, I had a tendency to assume it was true before I ever started searching for the real truth. I was indocrinated from an early age that the Bible was the word of God. It's pretty hard to shake that on a quest for truth, and actually use one's critical thinking faculties to determine its veracity.

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mrmoderate Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Baltimore/DC area Posts: 1,306	I for one do not believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the prophesied Hebrew Christ and the incarnation of God Himself because I was told, or "conditiioned" to believe so. I actually turned from God and especially Jesus the Christ because of perceived conditioning. It was through my studies of the bible along with studies of other religions and philosophy's that brought me to my belief in Jesus Christ as my Saviour. By this means, I have become a stupid, superstitious, unthinking person by my thought provoked studies. Therefore, intellect and thinking leads to stupid, superstition?

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