Solitary Man

Evidence for this?

John is theologically more advanced than Mark, like he is in other places, and tends to alter the traditions to line up more with prophecies and significations. (E.g. Mark and the Synoptics have Jesus dying on Passover Eve, while John has Jesus dying on Passover, hence the Passover Lamb.)

But seriously, if you want to believe in your pet theory which has no evidence accorded to it, that's your faith.

dog-on

Let's see. Do both Mark and John have JC entering Jerusalem on some sort of small beast o' burden?

Can't either of these versions be tied back to ol' Zech, or did Mark just happen to make that shit up all on his own and got lucky?

or,

Are you trying to say that it is historically accurate that JC did indeed enter Jerusalem on a colt, but that John changed the colt into a donkey for theological reasons?


Btw, my pet theory requires no faith as I take everything written at face value. This allows me to simply place it under the proper section, fiction.

You, on the other hand, are just making shit up.

Solitary Man

Both Kennedy and Lincoln were assassinated by gunfire - are you going to deposit dependence for them as well?

You're assuming Mark made it up.

It's possible. Messianic pretenders weren't that uncommon.

Riiiight. Dude, read a book on ancient genres. And then tell me that the Carthage Wars never happened because of the fictions in Punica.

What a lost methodology, thank goodness you're not a scholar.

dog-on

Your analogy doesn't make any sense, now does it.

Do you have any evidence that he didn't? Any at all?

Please show me your evidence, from the 1st century, that purports that Jesus Christ was not the Son of God, so I can see what you are basing your Jesus on.

Solitary Man

You argued that the similarities implied dependence. Your methodology doesn't make sense. A lot of things are similar but aren't dependent.

You don't see the obvious logical fallacy? I'd expect to hear "prove a negative" from fundy Christians...and I guess fundy atheists as well. Ignorance comes in all shapes and faiths, I guess.

Have you stopped beating your wife? Are you even able to discuss this at all without logical fallacies every step of the way?

dog-on

Nah, I argued that John probably had a better translation than Mark did...


No, you said that I am assuming that Mark made up the story. I simply asked you if you had any evidence that he didn't. You could then have answered with the most likely probability, that Mark read it in Zech. Sorry if this was confusing...
You duck like a little girl...

You have to show me the evidence to support your version of JC. I can fully support my version with the text, can you?

Solitary Man

Yeah, and you also argued that Mark took it from Zechariah. And I asked for evidence. And you still are dodging.

It's not confusing, it's just terrible logic. "Do you have any evidence that such and such didn't happen? Because if you don't, then it certainly must have happened!"

I'll take that as "No, Solitary Man, I, dog-on, am incapable of arguing without logical fallacies."

You can support yours with the text? Where? When? So far you've shown nothing but your own faith.

dog-on

Well the fact that this is mentioned by Zech and just happens to be later found in Mark, could lead one to that conclusion, prima facie...

9(A)Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout in triumph, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your (B)king is coming to you;
He is (C)just and (D)endowed with salvation,
(E)Humble, and mounted on a donkey,
Even on a (F)colt, the foal of a donkey.

4They went and found a colt outside in the street, tied at a doorway. As they untied it, 5some people standing there asked, "What are you doing, untying that colt?" 6They answered as Jesus had told them to, and the people let them go. 7When they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their cloaks over it, he sat on it. 8Many people spread their cloaks on the road, while others spread branches they had cut in the fields. 9Those who went ahead and those who followed shouted,
"Hosanna![a]"
"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!"[b]
10"Blessed is the coming kingdom of our father David!"
"Hosanna in the highest!"

11Jesus entered Jerusalem and went to the temple. He looked around at everything, but since it was already late, he went out to Bethany with the Twelve.


Sounds like HJ logic to me...

There is nothing fallacious about the fact that you duck like a little girl.

Ummm, there is a collections of writings located at the end of a larger collection of writings usually referred to, in total, as the Bible. In the aforementioned collection, the story of the son of god is contained. This character does all kinds of incredible feats and tops it all off with coming back from the dead, ascending into heaven and chillin' with the father...

That text...

Which texts are you using?

Solitary Man

Just like how both Bush's went to war w/ Iraq. How both Lincoln and Kennedy were great presidents and were assaassinated by gunfire. You have a severe case of "parallelomania". I recommend a basic Bible literacy course at your nearby university.

Then you must be ignorant of the HJ position.

Are you even serious now? Actually, keep up the little girl comments. All you're doing at this point is name calling. A sign of someone who has lost.

Good bye.

dog-on

So, you see no connection between Zecharia and Mark? Is that what schools are teaching kids these days?
Well...

then...

So...yea, I am serious. Show me your evidence for the Jesus you are claiming actually existed, because I can't seem to find him anywhere.

Only then can you even begin to make the case that Mark did not crib this anecdote from Zecharia...