spin

Did Jesus make the comment or did a later writer put the words in the mouth of Jesus? It is also misguided to talk about "fraud". It is usually only someone who doesn't know very much about the cultural heritage of the period.

The writer who quotes from Daniel referring to "the son of man" has clearly got the source text wrong for it says "one like a son of man" and to understand that you need to read the passage in Daniel 7, which talks about different beasts representing different nations, one like a lion, one like a bear, one like a panther, one like nothing the writer has seen before, and one like a son of man (ie human). The one like a human represented Israel.

Christians have a lot of problems understanding Daniel. They even think the text is a prophetic text, but the Jews place it amongst the other writings. Christians should give the Hebrew bible back to the Jews and stop making such a mess with it.


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spin

Did you read post #6 as a started?


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arnoldo

Thank you for pointing out a "source." Post #12 lists a counterargument for the claims. Just for clarification are you saying that the book of daniel was written after the fact, contained errors, and then was failed to be revised to correct the errors?

spin

There is no counterargument. There is only different focus.

Could you write a history of the period Daniel was set in off the top of your head and get it right? You probably couldn't. Daniel was written a couple of centuries after the time. The writers' purpose was not related to the time Daniel is set in. It is concerned with the Hellenistic period. The only reason why one would be concerned about errors in the setting is if one isn't interested in what Daniel is about. That's you and Johnny.

Here, here, and here.


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Johnny Skeptic

But we cannot be reasonably certain that Jesus said everything that the New Testament says that he said. It is already well-established that the Bible contains errors.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: We are still waiting for you to quote a prediction that Daniel made that came true, and state the evidence that you have that it was written before the event.

arnoldo

Here is a genuinely scholarly resources for the Book of Daniel: Studies In The Book Of Daniel: A Discussion of the Historical Questions by Robert Dick Wilson
http://home.earthlink.net/~ironmen/wilson/title.htm

arnoldo

See post #19. Actually Nebby had a dream and Daniel gave the interpretation. The Roman Empire is predicted in the prophecy and is pending it's fulfillment. That's why it's called a prophecy,ie,something that will happen in the future.

Diogenes the Cynic

Daniel says nothing whatever about the Roman Empire.

Johnny Skeptic

No, I want some Scriptures from the book of Daniel.

Then why have you been arguing in another thread that the Partition of Palestine is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy.

Since God did not tell Ezekiel about Alexander, there is no way that prophecy was meant for believers. No Jew who lived during Ezekiel's time saw the Tyre prophecy fulfilled, nor did any Jew for a few more generations.

Generations of Tyrians died content that the God of the Bible does not exist because all of Tyre had not be defeated. No rational person would have expected God to speak scathing judgments against Tyre and take centuries to carry out his vengeance against people who were not even alive then the prophecy was made.

The simple truth is that you do not have any idea whatsoever how many Old Testament Jews knew anything about Bible prophecies, and how many prophecies were written after the fact and passed off to gullible Jews as having been written before the facts.