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100% - I have complete faith that Jesus of Nazareth was a real person. | 8 | 6.15% | |
80-100% | 10 | 7.69% | |
60-80% | 15 | 11.54% | |
40-60% | 22 | 16.92% | |
20-40% | 17 | 13.08% | |
0-20% | 37 | 28.46% | |
o% - I have complete faith that Jesus of Nazareth was not a real person, | 21 | 16.15% | |
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11-25-2008, 11:52 AM | #101 | |
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The real genius of Christianity had little to do with Jesus, but instead was its universally inclusive nature, while leveraging off the aura of authority provided by the Jewish scriptures, combined with an emphasis on propagating the story, and the promise of life ever lasting. |
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With the English language we can identify several causes for its apparent universalization, with Anglo-American victories in the world wars being one important cause. None of the reasons has much to do with any genius inherent in the English language. Language is merely an instrument. It is thought-content and its influence which are the primary consideration here. |
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11-25-2008, 12:39 PM | #103 |
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As I have pointed out, it is simply impossible to maintain that those who composed the Gospels have any share at all in the spirit of genius that pervades them.
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What is it about the gospels that make it *impossible* that they were simply made up? |
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There is no genius in the literary composition. All the genius resides in what is described and quoted.
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11-25-2008, 01:02 PM | #107 |
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Even monkeys hitting typewriters would produce the Gospels eventually.
Therefore, even if you are correct that the Gospels contain ideas of genius that could simply not have been imagined by their writers, you have at most demonstrated that it is very unlikely that they were fabrications. On another note, I don't see anything in Jesus' words or deeds as described by the gospels that stands out as incredibly ingenious, but I suppose that is more up for debate. |
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You can use the same argument for the "genius" of the Koran; why would the entire Arab world give up their pagan heritage if not for the "genius" of Mohammad? If the Koran weren't "genius", then the Caliphate would not have survived. Again, use the same argument for Mormon scripture, Buddhist scripture, Hindu scripture, Jain scripture, etc. The one theme throughout them all is that people are religious and will psychotically revere their holy scriptures. Quote:
If you can't see how these two situations are the same then there's nothing else to say. |
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11-25-2008, 01:22 PM | #110 |
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It really seems an impossibility to me. Look at how one of the twentieth century's greatest novelists, Hermann Hesse, in his The Glass bead game tries to create a narrator who is stupider than the protagonist. This is a tough trick, and Hesse only partially succeeds. So much more unlikely is it then that these ammé haaretz not only made themselves look deliberately stupid as narrators, but also managed to create the most powerful personage in all of literary history.
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