Ken Brown

Hi aa5874, what about this Jewish writing? Was it only intended for Jews?

Amos 9:11 - 9:12

(11) In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old: (12) That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith יהוה that doeth this.

Who are the heathen which are called by His Name? And how are they called by His Name, without the Jewish writings given to them? If the Jewish writings were only intended for the Jews, you would never have the heathen who are called by His Name. KB

spin

Ken, you've been happy enough to provide biblical quotes about various things, but here, though you've asserted twice that "Moses wrote about the Gospel", you've given no evidence to support the claim. Where are your happy biblical quotes when we need them? I have the tendency to see such assertions as belief based wishful thinking. Perhaps, you could add a little bit of reality to your claim to dissuade me from my tendency, you know, such as some credible Mosaic references to a pre-knowledge of the gospels, rather than cherry-picked similarities of emblems, motifs or phrases.

Iskander

Jewish writings were never intended to be only for the Jews.

To be the chosen people means to be a light onto the world and to bring humanity under hashem. Judaism is another religion sanctified with the duty to save the world.

Christians and Islam got tired of waiting and decided to help Judaism to save the world

James The Least

Nah, they'll just come up with a new interpretation. The Jehovah's Witnesses have been doing that for 100 years now.

Ken Brown

Hi Spin, why can't the Messiah be the Red Heifer? If Israel can play the role of a harlot, why can't the Messiah play the role of the One who will separate sinners from their sin and cleanse them from the defilement of death?

The key in understanding how the Messiah is the Red Heifer is known by understanding how Elohim is the Fountain of Living Waters (Jer 2:13, 17:13). Living Water was required to be added to the Ashes of the Red Heifer in the Vessel. Water is life, and Living Water is Eternal Life, and Elohim is the source or fountain of it.

Numbers 19:15 requires that all open vessels should have a lid upon it, what happened to the vessel of the tomb? When the Messiah suffered and died, what remained of Him was His dead body (The Ashes). A clean man (Joseph of Arimathea) gathered up His dead body (The Ashes) and deposited them in a clean place (a tomb hewn out of solid rock in which no one had ever been laid), outside the camp/city.

For the purpose of separating sinners from their sin and cleansing them from the defilement of death, LIVING WATER/ETERNAL LIFE was added to the Ashes of the Red Heifer (The Messiah) as He was in the Vessel of the Tomb.

What further evidence do you need to convince you that Yeshua is the Messiah? KB

aa5874

Please, please, please!!! The New Testament is NOT Jewish writings. It is Blasphemy.

Please, examine the Creed of the Church.

It is NOT really Jewish at all.

The Jews still have their Scripture and the so-called Heathen now call upon the name of a LORD God call Jesus born of a Ghost and a Virgin.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed

mountainman

This is a later creed. Note from that page the Comparison between Creed of 325 and Creed of 381 discloses that the original creed of Nicaea looked substantially different and was characterized by a DISCLAIMER clause:




εὐδαιμονία | eudaimonia

mountainman

When (which century) was this?

And what was so significant about the city of Emmaus?





εὐδαιμονία | eudaimonia

stephan huller

It was intimately connected with Julius Africanus, the earliest witness to both the geneaologies of Matthew and Luke. He's a very significant figure in the early Church and he also happens to have had an intimate attachment to Emmaus:

I wouldn't be surprised if Julius Africanus turned out to be Irenaeus. There is no evidence for it of course. But it would make a lot of sense to me.

Sheshbazzar

I am not a Jew nor a christian, and Not believing in the existence of any deity I do not hold Jewish or christian beliefs,
I don't believe in the Jewish or christian concepts of 'sin', nor in the idea that there is some sky daddy by any name 'out there' that can either impute or remove 'sin'.
I do not believe any thing such as even 'sin' exists outside of the taboos and warped imaginations of superstitious religious fruitcakes.

I do not believe in the fictional Jewish god nor in the bastard kid that christians claim took over his old man's family business.
I do not accept that it is 'sinful' to eat pork, or pick up sticks on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, or any other day of the week or year, or to plant beans and corn in the same hill, or to wear a coat that has both wool and cotton.
I do not believe that I or anyone else ought to be kissing ass to the representative's of any religion.

I submit that nothing will ever truly bring about a remission of anyone's sin, because no such thing even exists.
The whole 'sin' thing being nothing more than human invented guilt trip, and means of support to religious bloodsuckers that use their imaginary god to ensnare men's minds in ancient superstitions and fears so that they can prey upon human misery.

So, you may tell what you believe about your religion, how you understand it to work, and I may even understand what you are claiming, but I am not at all buying your claims as any description of reality, or of how this world or the universe works.