Magus55

Sure it does. Atheists are the only ones who consider it implausible and last I checked, you're a minority.

Magus55

Who cares whether you find it convincing or not? Since when does the universe revolve around atheists, and any decree made by them is fact or have any value at all for that matter?

Queen of Swords

Atheists are the only ones? Last time you checked, did Jews, Hindus, Wiccans, Muslims, Shintoists, Buddhists and agnostics all nod their heads and agree that it was plausible that 1/3 of god impregnated a virgin with another 1/3?

Queen of Swords

Well, you seem to care. Otherwise, why would you reply?

Edited to add : Neat. Post # 7777.

Starboy

Magus, [edit:insult removed] You cannot see that you have been brain washed into believing things in your religion that you would never accept under any other circumstance. It is what you call "faith" and it is the antithesis of reason.

Starboy

Magus55

I was generalizing all religious concepts, including God's existence since you all think all of it is improbably.

Magus55

Who brainwashed me? Do you think I was raised to believe all this?

Queen of Swords

Gosh, what a shame you chose to bring this up on a thread about the impregnation of Mary. Anyone would think it was this particular concept you were referring to, rather than some vague global generalization about a topic which you really should have taken to the Existence of God forum.

What precisely do you think I think all of it is and what do you think I think all the improbability in all of it is?

Starboy

Of course you are not brainwashed. It is perfectly normal to accept claims of Immaculate Conception from the pregnant teenager next door.

Starboy

capsaicin67

God also was in a supervisory position and "on the clock", Mary was a subordinate, out of wedlock, and underage by modern standards. I'm also under the impression that it was not consentual, but likely some sort of divine date rape? He also was an entirely absentee father and never made a single support payment.

The same conservatives that think this is marvelous are the same ones that despise Clinton for a bj that was consentual, between 2 adults. Granted, he was already married, and he was supervisory and at the office. But she was an adult and consenting at least! And he didn't leave her in a manger/cave knocked-up without support.

Alas, I have not ever known of a human that became pregnant spontaneously. Ever. Never. Ever. I have, however, known a few that have lied about sex and pregnancies, and a few that have likely been the targets of rape etc? So that seems a fairly sound starting point for considering what is probable in any account presented by other humans. Sex and pregnancy have always been highly charged topics, and the consequences frequently significant. If anyone else told me they had become pregnant by god I, and most people, would be very skeptical and presume a different explanation if only generally. And Mary, if she existed, was aperson living in a fairly underinformed technologically and scientifically non-adavanced culture thousands of years ago, and in a society that had some fairly rigid and intolerant and ignorant views and behaviors. I'm betting on "cover story".

But they do suggest they left town to have the kid, too, so they did not have so much confidence that the story would do the whole trick it seems like. It's hard to say at what point such a story would have been created or advisable. IT may have been one of those stories told to Jesus as a kid to pacify and console him, ina dysfunctional way, when he started to hear rumors from the other brats about his "shakey" origins?

Or none of them existed.