CaliNORML

Indeed, and they gave her a front row seat to watch a child suffer.

These desert based faith say pure water from deep in the Earth were "Satan" lives is great, and pure water from the sky is life giving wrung from the clouds transformed and pure.

I see no symbols held up as high as the 2 "Fire Gods" and this is why they do not see a male god as compassion, or a female earthly being as "Godly" it was she who carried the sin of eve right? Here the fire or aggression of male hold back compassion to the ones who cry for it most, yet are destined it seems to deliver the ones who will suppress it the most.

Yes mary had an aggressive drive to save her child, to protect him here on Earth as any mother will do fiercly as possible, she was animal in that way. A man can not be seen as so weepy, and like a woman can not be seen as so aggresive.

God is fire and water in a continous cycle, water reaches fire and falls back to Earth or springs up from the ground. The same amount of water on Earth was here 2000 years ago, 10,000, and 100,000, and it is the only thing that has cycled through all living things, even plants.

In women who need pure water to live, salt water marks our compassion. Mans aggresion must live in harmony with it, not seek to tread it under foot or dominate it; after all red and blue make purple, the color of service.

KMS

aupmanyav

We are, indeed, close to truth.

credoconsolans

Mmm, a lot more in Judeo/Christianity is related to being like god, giving up material things, looking to the care of the soul, being loving to all, compassionate to all, smiting enemies, caring for ONLY one god, being a willing pawn of his will (essentially being and doing what he wants you to, following HIS Laws so as to make a kingdom on earth as it is in heaven), than G/R gods asked for. Judeo/Christian/Islamic religions are also models for social behaviors and structures (theocracies). Not so much so for G/R.

Arachne learned the price of hubris, but then most of the gods admired Heracles and his feats so much, they made him a god. G/R gods didn't feel the need to act dignified. They most certainly could though.

Chili

Yes, we have a painting on that. Truimphantly presenting:http://www.artchive.com/artchive/M/m...inity.jpg.html

This may be a better link.
http://www.roanoke.edu/gst/MasTrinity.htm


It is a comedy, remember? Tragedies are human perversions without resurrection.They were clever. We have come up with 20.000 branches since and are still looking for more because the very church that we deny holds the key to the kingdom. No, neither Eve nor Mary have an idenity to carry anything. Mary was taken from Man and Eve was Adam's by conjecture.

Mary actually flourished by the sin of Adam as she saw that the TOK was good for gaining food, wisdom and beauty. She strikes at the head of Eve who in her turn stikes at the heel of Adam to motivate him . . . unto the compassion of God wherein Mary is told to relax the emnity between them.No, she was the driving force behind it all and even God is an idiot without her or hell could no longer be. For them She is the wine and the strenght of this wine that is poured in the cup of Gods anger that makes hell opposite to heaven. For sure, and only entropy increases which can be explosive in humans (blue knows no mercy). Purple is the color of Advent when Mary and Christ become one in the birth of the son, which would be us in the image of God.

Chili

You don't have a clue, my friend.

CaliNORML

I see the symbolism in color, and it is always there. The lower Rainbow red orange are male aggression, the blue is female compassion. The pink is purity coming from animal, the green is immortality and the purple is service. All can be seen here in every great artists renderings even before Jesus. I can see it in "George and the Dragon", and many Greek Gods as well especially Venus and Apollo.

LINK TO PAINTINGS

It was an example of how humans should never act towards another. Here women lose sons to war and birth our girls to animal male control, it had to become time for a man to lose a son, this is why if a Father God, a son must be sacrificed as a "savoir."

They wanted to retain the Earthly wealth and differences between them and others, just like the three kings, who had their offerings turned around to show them this was not the way, all earthly things were not kept. We focus on our intelligence and wealth when that keeps us from "God" by indifference like animals, not compassion for all.


Mary was a human. Her womb carried the ability to hold in it's compassion to birth Cesear, or any other man who would oppress her, she fought for her child because Jesus would not survive her with his instincts, he needed a protecter. It is that "original sin" that has kept women form being able to participate in many functions of the "Church."

That women need mens aggression is true, and we do flourish under it. It is that we bear boys with such aggression in their brains, and they hold us down that we strike them in their head, and give them aggression to bite our heels, and hold us to earth.

Compassion is opposite of indifference, it is by making differences that we kill compassion. Men could not see Jesus as their own son, we had reached a point where humans were animals, and we treated them all as such, no difference.

I said nothing of mercy, I said compassion. Compassion is not sorrow or mercy, it is pure.

The compassion and aggression in service to "God." Look at all the biblical paintings and see the angle taking Jesus up to "Heaven" always in purple, and he is always on green.

If like many say the perfect marrigae of Earth is between a bird and a dragon, it is the aggression that protects the compassion, not overrules it.

KMS

CaliNORML

Here is a painting I love and my reading of the colors it uses. The art is: Jacopo Bassano. The Adoration of the Magi 1560-65

LINK HERE

Low in the left hand corner there is a donkey eating plants. What is a donkey but a lowly stubborn animal? Just like man. Mans stubbornness to turn to God and how we should have patience with the most obstinate among us. Below his nose is the gold.

This starts the circle of gold through out the painting back down to earth and leading us also to animal as we think we are wise, we are only smart. Here the next gold seen is across the road leading up in the stone of the earth. This symbolizes man's wanting of gold as what keep him in stone and earth. The crown a top the third king’s head represents the drive to gather more gold, and as such he turned men into beast.

Here he looks at a steed’s rear end and it seems to be seen as gold is sh#$. For he treats a slave as if he is no better than a dog.

Even the child below the king bringing him the gifts has his head even with Christ, calling to blue compassion, not to be treated so lowly. Like the dog behind him, a loyal donkey.

The donkey again cries for human’s compassion in Mary's lap and womb. Yet the pink Animal shows through above the blue carrying us to orange and between a purple, even with Christ.

The triad of the lower corner is compassion above the beast, but the reflection off the gold calls us to higher animal instincts, above the stone, compassion flows to cut off the kings fingers reaching for all that reflects.

When realized this blue over purity, white, is all things born pure to our sight, even a donkey and we reflect in our heads a way to heaven. The other’s have a shine on the back of the head, our lower instincts.

Mary's lower animal, the pink near the King on the ground we see Immortality for the first time, as his first skin or robe, covered by a orange, directly in the center of the road. What he thought was purity, the turban of the third king, was animal.

This king had gone from immortal, to yellow, the least aggression, to orange, animal, to immortality not as our first robe, but on top of the animal. A lowly donkey thinking we are Steeds. The true beast looks into the hills, as does the strong slave, a purity of animal continue the pinks.

Down to the lower Right hand we see even if animal, we can be loyal, take the foot of that earthly king, above is stone, and gold; step across like Mary's foot, through compassion, and reach purity by combining the pink/red and blue, into purple and up and out we all go, east and west up the road of Immortality.

The arch in the clouds is cut off by Grey as the beast of burden turns, and grey is on the slaves shoulder, his pure animal reaches towards heaven, yet thinking they are "noble kings" for this we see animal orange, and earthly brown, no purple is to be seen, only hinted at in the periwinkle of the child, compassion to all it cries, do not see me as no better than a dog; none of you are either.

The crimson reversal of the kings leg and the shoulder of the Joseph, point the way we need to go, do not dispaly violence, shoulder it under compassion.

There is so much in there just by color alone, seen as those definitions, loops in loops, in loops, and only 1 way out, our own intelligence fools us to think any other way.

KMS

Chili

Very nice. Yes the colors are there. We have an icon wherein the heart of Mary is equal to the heart of Christ. So don't forget, the heart of woman is the heart of Christ . . . which is the difference between the first and second Adam. IOW the Kundalini (I like that word) is raised to the mind of man so that 'woman', -- who is the fullness of man -- can be the mind of Christ (as in each one of us). We have the Coronation of Mary to testify on this (this is where Mary is crowned queen of heaven and earth = from mother of Christ to the bride of Christ). Protestant nonsense. It was a divine comedy and the best thing the Jews ever did . . . and did it often, and were good at it:

"Rejoice you barren one who bears no children;
break into song you stranger to the pains of childbirth!
For many are the children of the wife deserted--
far more than of her who has a husband!"

The ego must be sacrificed and that's all, but this includes the clothes that make the man.

Yes it is tragic that children die at war and also that women are ruled over instead of being crowned queen.The Magi brought faith, hope and charity in exchange for power wealth and beauty.

Intelligence is the greatest liability we have. Money loses its value when we have enough and is liability when we have to protect it.Where does it say that Mary was human." I hold that Mary was not human but the perfection of man. Mary was wherein Christ finds his lineage past Adam to God, and in Joseph it ends up in Judaism, but not God.

The woman has always been the backbone of the Church and even today that is exactly what they are. I like that line but do not hold that females should be driven. They should be loved. Magdalene was loved and Mary was respected. Magdalene was Eve and the 'maid we married' while Mary was in seclusion where she was protected by our own integrity. Hence, not human (unless she got raped and all hell breaks lose in our mind). Yes, probably so.

CaliNORML

I know there are still some things which confuse me, like for instance; what does the buddhist monk's orange robe symbolize?

I know the spices used to associate the colors, is it in their meaning the colors are associated and not the actual "optic illusion" we see as a rainbow?

This information carries through most all classical art, Goddess and God as well as Jesus alike, it seemed the code of the Renaissance as the perspective developed the motion of art.

I always liked the symbol of fire meeting water over the Earth, that transfomative state where things are not what they appear, or where for that matter.

KMS

aupmanyav

I would not say about a buddhist monk's orange, but I will say about a Hindu monks earthy ochre. Easy to color clothes with, Indian dust does not show on that, thresh and wear.