punk77

Many thanks for the reply:thumbs:. I will add that link to my favourites. I have had a quick look at it but it will take me a few visits to read/digest it all properly.


SC Carlson wrote:

'The curious part is that the linked site gives a more responsible 75-90 range than what the poster stated (though I would extend the final part of the range by at least 10 years to better reflect critical opinion)'.

This now almost doubles (I had 8 years - the site gives a range of 15 years, SC Carlson would add another 10 years to the upper range on top of that) the amount of time that God left Christians without Acts 5:29 to help them 'interpret' Romans 13:3 . All those poor souls who thought that they were doing God's will for years and instead the devil is going to get their ass because of sloppy proofreading.

S.C.Carlson

Not as late as Constantine.

Romans 13 is attested to in the papyrus manuscript P46, which is usually dated to the early third century, about a hundred years before Constantine.

The "render unto Caesar" incident is found in P45, which is also dated to the early third century and is also discussed by Clement of Alexandria, who died around 215.

Stephen

S.C.Carlson

I think that if the early Christians were sola scriptura ("scripture only") Protestants, you might have a point. They weren't.

Stephen

Chili

These would be the ones that parted company when Jesus first broke bread in Jn.6:66.

punk77

Thanks for the reply.

I realise that the early Christians weren't 'scripture only Protestants' (that would be an impossibility) but I had been taught that they did go by the scriptures (or whatever parts of the scripture that they could get access to) but the point that I am trying to make is that it would be impossible for early Christians to interpret one thing (Romans 13:3 via Acts 5:29) if they didn't have Acts in the first place. Since the same person (Paul) is meant to have written both Romans and Acts by 'divine inspiration' then it shows that he/they didn't make a very good job of it in the first place and had to go back and close a 'loophole'.

judge

Where is the evidence for this?

Chris Weimer

The oldest manuscripts are written in Greek, the oldest church fathers attest to the Greek version, and there's no evidence that it was written in anything but Greek.

judge

Big deal

Prior to the discovery of the DSS the oldest Hebrew bibles were in greek too!

No one thought that that meant the HB was written in greek.

Richbee

Hebrew?

Since when did Paul write to the Roamns in Hebrew?

Romans 13 - NIV

Submission to the Authorities

1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

Richbee

Romans 13 is great wisdom if anyone wanted to stay alive!