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seebs · 04-28-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Centurion

Brace yourself... I agree with most of your statements Crazy Liz.

You think that's weird? I agree with you on this one.

Well. Mark the calendar.

Centurion · 04-28-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Blaster

Just ask your question in plain english without all the convolution.
Please ??

You have several people giving the opinion that the way you are going about resolving "this" is not the best (to put it tamely).

Plain English question:
Can you see their point?
Do you agree with that opinion?

Blaster · 04-28-2006, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Centurion

I don't know if you are making certain things up, but your thread:
http://www.christianforums.com/t2947...-policies.html
(if it is connected)
with the patented blaster blindside/beat-down behavior displayed when someone asks a question or gives an opinion that isn't right in line with yours, followed only by the "innocent description" on how the whole OP became a question leaves me asking questions of integrity too.
Just not the same ones. That is if this "issue" and that thread are connected.

And your point is ??

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Originally Posted by Centurion

Given that I have seen the "I'm on a mission so get out of my way" display in the past, how is what you are doing and who you are targeting not you being guilty of the same thing you claim as having allegedly happened? Personal information, stalking a member, harassing, etc...

I have not done this to anyone. Your comprehension of what I've said is pretty poor at best.

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Originally Posted by Centurion

There are authorities that have the RIGHT to do certain things, there are also key people that have the RIGHT to do certain things and are in position to do something. The usual "public display" and "my version" accusation(s) is noted as being more in line with those that don't have enough evidence, being the "only one(s)" with the evidence or vigilante style justice. Sure, there is the conspiracy and injustice via favoritism possibility, but that can be broken by adding one or more respected and godly people and expanding on that - you know persuading reasonable and fair people.
The "battle cry" and invitation for any and all accusations against a member may be viewed as merely fishing for random numbers in mob-handed justice.
Is that your goal?

If Erwin were around more, He would be aware of this.
In the future try to ask a question more direct and with less bullshit surrounding it ??

praying · 04-28-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Blaster

Erwin has not been around enough to know about this.
Thats why it's coming out now.
So He CAN do something once and for all.

The fact is he is aware of it (at leat that is what I have gotten from yours and others posts, so at this point the ball is in Erwin's court.

I agree Chrys about asking members to come forward and that should be the end of the discussion. All this he said she said comes off as skullduggery and does not lead to credibilty in believing what is stated as Liz pointed out.

Blaster · 04-28-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Centurion

You have several people giving the opinion that the way you are going about resolving "this" is not the best (to put it tamely).

Plain English question:
Can you see their point?
Do you agree with that opinion?

Let me ask you in a different manner//
If you were the female in this position, Would you allow it to happen and have your concerns go unheard or even ignored ??

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Blaster · 04-28-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by praying

The fact is he is aware of it (at leat that is what I have gotten from yours and others posts, so at this point the ball is in Erwin's court.

I agree Chrys about asking members to come forward and that should be the end of the discussion. All this he said she said comes off as skullduggery and does not lead to credibilty in believing what is stated as Liz pointed out.

Yes, He is aware now after several weeks of contact.
I don't care what she thinks about the other concerns Liz has.
I care about what is going to be done about it and what will end it.
Thats ALL I care about.

Lanakila · 04-28-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Liz

This "out in the open," but at the same time "can't divulge" stuff is crazymaking and gossipy. It makes me really uncomfortable.

It reminds me of the kind of doublespeak I'm used to hearing from CF staff.

For the sake of integrity, I think anything a person feels must be publicly exposed ought to be stated directly and specifically. Innuendoes can be read a lot of ways, and the reader has no way of knowing whether they are drawing the correct conclusion or not.

I really don't like this kind of talk in public. If you can't discuss the specifics, don't post it. (IMHO) If you can only discuss the specifics in private, then only talk about it in private.

You are, of course, free to say whatever you want, so far as it is allowed here. This is just my opinion. I don't like it.

That is what I was getting at, but it was missed. Staff did this when Greg was removed, and when I, a lowly senior moderator asked questions I got accused of not trusting the leadership, and God placing them in leadership over me. This happened right before I deconverted, and the hypocracy of it all is something I have seen in Christianity repeatedly. Person A is accused of something (an affair, stealing, whatever), but no details are given and that person isn't given an opportunity to make a statement, no one knows any of the details except a select few special people in the know, and if others ask questions then they just don't trust the leadership.

It's all bullshit. Either tell the whole story, or keep it all to yourselves please. I don't want to piece it all together, and all I have seen are some baseless accusations of who knows what from a biased 3rd party.

Lanakila · 04-28-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Blaster

If LH and others want for more to be known, I leave that to them. Unless I get permission from them to divulge more.
Fair enough ??
I have no problems with showing my hand.
You can also wipe your backside with your insults.
I did not insult you to this point.
Keep 'em to yourself.

What insults?? Come on Blaster Liz didn't insult you, she just called you on the same thing I did.

Centurion · 04-28-2006, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Blaster

And your point is ??

I have not done this to anyone. Your comprehension of what I've said is pretty poor at best.

If Erwin were around more, He would be aware of this.
In the future try to ask a question more direct and with less bullshit surrounding it ??

In my own way, I was trying to HELP you.
Since you don't seem to want it here and now, I will honor that.
You are free to reap whatever you want. :wave:

Blaster · 04-28-2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lanakila

That is what I was getting at, but it was missed. Staff did this when Greg was removed, and when I, a lowly senior moderator asked questions I got accused of not trusting the leadership, and God placing them in leadership over me. This happened right before I deconverted, and the hypocracy of it all is something I have seen in Christianity repeatedly. Person A is accused of something (an affair, stealing, whatever), but no details are given and that person isn't given an opportunity to make a statement, no one knows any of the details except a select few special people in the know, and if others ask questions then they just don't trust the leadership.

It's all bullshit. Either tell the whole story, or keep it all to yourselves please. I don't want to piece it all together, and all I have seen are some baseless accusations of who knows what from a biased 3rd party.

As I said before, Either go to LH herself or ask that she allow me to say further.
Til then, I will not betray her trusts she has placed in me.
I would hope you could respect that.

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