Freethought & Rationalism Archive

Kruzkal · 01-15-2004, 02:20 PM

Ha ha I have been banned for posting a valid contadiction in the bible on christianity.com.

Someone go in there and continure my work.

Thread

Thanx

__________________

Philosophy - Questions that cannot be answered
Religion - Answers that cannot be questioned

Proctors_Gambit · 01-15-2004, 03:28 PM

I would but ....

Error

There was an error with your request.

Reason: You have been banned

I was banned for swearing...
I quoted a verse in the bible that includes the word 'bastard'.

BOOT!

-gambit

Matrioshka_Brain · 01-15-2004, 04:32 PM

Someone please inform SackClothAndAsh about the world of quantum physics and first clauses, and various cyclic universe theories (hypersphear, Brane-wave/string theory, string theory variants), if that hasn't been done already.

Kruzkal · 01-15-2004, 04:42 PM

The post was deleted instantly. I reposted it with different accs and via proxy but they just deletes it asap . . .

Their censorship reflects their lack of comfidence in their religion . . .

Quote:

Please spread the message of religious tolerance. What would Jesus do in your view? Provide answers or ban and turn the other cheek?

I posted this very same post on christianity.com. The post was instantly deleted and I was IP banned without warning. Thank god for proxies.

Anyway, here are some contradictions I found between the two versions of Genesis and would like some answers to:

- - - - - - - - - -

Genesis 1:20 KJV
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Genesis 1:21 KJV
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
Every living creature was brought forth from the waters.

VS.

Genesis 2:19 KJV
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.
Every beast and every fowl of the air was brought forth from the ground.

- - - - - - - - - -

Genesis 1:2 KJV
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Earth was completely covered in waters.

Genesis 1:9 KJV
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so.
Then, there was land.

VS.

Genesis 2:4 KJV
These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

Genesis 2:5 KJV
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a man to till the ground.
There was ground. No plants, no rain, no man.

Genesis 2:6 KJV
But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Then, ground was completely covered in waters.

- - - - - - - - - -

Genesis 1:11 KJV
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Genesis 1:12 KJV
And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
There were plants.

Genesis 1:13 KJV
And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Above was during the third day.

Genesis 1:26 KJV
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:27 KJV
So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Then, there was man.

Genesis 1:28 KJV
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:29 KJV
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Genesis 1:30 KJV
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Genesis 1:31 KJV
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Above was during the sixth day.

VS.

Genesis 2:7 KJV
And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
There was man.

Genesis 2:8 KJV
And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Genesis 2:9 KJV
And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Then, there were plants.

- - - - - - - - - -

Genesis 1:24 KJV
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Genesis 1:25 KJV
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
There were beasts.

Genesis 1:26 KJV
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:27 KJV
So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Then, there were man and women.

VS.

Genesis 2:7 KJV
And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
There was man.

Genesis 2:18 KJV
And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Man was alone.

Genesis 2:19 KJV
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.
Then, there were beasts.

Genesis 2:20 KJV
And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

Genesis 2:21 KJV
And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

Genesis 2:22 KJV
And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Then, there was woman.

Genesis 2:23 KJV
And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

- - - - - - - - - -

Please explain those contradictions.

Thanks!

__________________

Philosophy - Questions that cannot be answered
Religion - Answers that cannot be questioned

RUmike · 01-15-2004, 08:18 PM

"Everything within our universe requires a cause. We know of nothing that doesn't require a cause."

I wonder if SackclothandAsh has ever witnessed an event that in any way resembles a beginning of time. I'd ask him myself but I don't feel like wasting my time registering over there.

Rational BAC · 01-15-2004, 08:35 PM

I just read that thread---a fairly long one with some pretty good back and forth arguments all things considered. And all done in a good spirit of debate I thought.

But obviously you finally pissed off some mod. Shit happens.

NeoApostate · 01-15-2004, 08:50 PM

Yeah, I read the thread and there didn't seem to be any animosity outside of normal debating. Odd that you got banned.

sharon45 · 01-15-2004, 10:13 PM

Kruzkal, if you really want to make your points known to christians there while still being banned in the end, don't bother using the OT for examples, its far too easy and christians cop-out far too many times brcause they really don'y care that much about the OT. Instead, use passages from the NT to prove against itself.

Plognark · 01-16-2004, 03:35 AM

I don't find the fact that he got banned odd at all

And they accuse US of being smug and arrogant??

blindwatchmaker · 01-16-2004, 04:33 AM

Kruzkal,

What was it you said that got you banned?
Is it the last post in the thread or has it been removed?

BW

01-15-2004, 02:20 PM	#1
Kruzkal Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Void Posts: 77	Christianity.com Ha ha I have been banned for posting a valid contadiction in the bible on christianity.com. Someone go in there and continure my work. Thread Thanx __________________ Philosophy - Questions that cannot be answered Religion - Answers that cannot be questioned

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version	Search this Thread: Advanced Search

01-15-2004, 03:28 PM	#2
Proctors_Gambit Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 372	I would but .... Error There was an error with your request. Reason: You have been banned I was banned for swearing... I quoted a verse in the bible that includes the word 'bastard'. BOOT! -gambit

01-15-2004, 04:32 PM	#3
Matrioshka_Brain Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Inbetween the Immediate Future and recent Past Posts: 591	Someone please inform SackClothAndAsh about the world of quantum physics and first clauses, and various cyclic universe theories (hypersphear, Brane-wave/string theory, string theory variants), if that hasn't been done already.

01-15-2004, 08:18 PM	#5
RUmike Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 491	"Everything within our universe requires a cause. We know of nothing that doesn't require a cause." I wonder if SackclothandAsh has ever witnessed an event that in any way resembles a beginning of time. I'd ask him myself but I don't feel like wasting my time registering over there.

01-15-2004, 08:35 PM	#6
Rational BAC Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tampa Bay area Posts: 3,471	I just read that thread---a fairly long one with some pretty good back and forth arguments all things considered. And all done in a good spirit of debate I thought. But obviously you finally pissed off some mod. Shit happens.

01-15-2004, 08:50 PM	#7
NeoApostate Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: My Computer Posts: 438	Yeah, I read the thread and there didn't seem to be any animosity outside of normal debating. Odd that you got banned.

01-15-2004, 10:13 PM	#8
sharon45 Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Southwest, US Posts: 8,759	Kruzkal, if you really want to make your points known to christians there while still being banned in the end, don't bother using the OT for examples, its far too easy and christians cop-out far too many times brcause they really don'y care that much about the OT. Instead, use passages from the NT to prove against itself.

01-16-2004, 03:35 AM	#9
Plognark Contributor Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 14,952	I don't find the fact that he got banned odd at all And they accuse US of being smug and arrogant??

01-16-2004, 04:33 AM	#10
blindwatchmaker Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 227	Kruzkal, What was it you said that got you banned? Is it the last post in the thread or has it been removed? BW

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.