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Old 12-18-2003, 08:29 PM   #11
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Why is the second list of 10 commandments not a problem?
In Ex 34:1, God says that He Himself will rewrite what is on the stones. God then asks Moses to write "the words of the covenant".

So what does God write, and what does Moses write?

God obviously rewrites what were on the first Stones of the Covenant, Ex 20.

What Moses writes is symbolic of a *renewal* of the 600 odd commands that he wrote down in the Book of the Covenant (see Ex 24:7).

If you compare the "commandments" in Ex 34 with those in Ex 23 (esp Ex 23:14-19), you can see a representative of the same commands being given.

The confusion lies in Ex 24:28, where it is claimed that the word "he" is used to apply to Moses, when in fact it applies to God. (The NKJV capitalises the "He" to show this). I believe the original Hebrew doesn't use capitalisation, hence the ambiguity. But the context (from Ex 34:1) certainly shows it is God doing the writing.
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I had a math professor once proclaim that Pi was ten. His point was that if you're not a pure mathematician, you use what will give you the accuracy you need and keep it simple. For some purposes, Pi=10 is just close enough.
I've never bought into the Pi=3 contradiction of the bible, it just ain't much of a contradiction. 3 was accurate enough.
To say something is 10 cubits across and that makes it 30 cubits in circumference might be a little sloppy, but it doesn't necessary show ignorance.

There are many more interesting contradictions than this on.

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You can actually get your spreadsheet to do "10 times Pi is 30". Put 9.7 in Cell A1, 3.142 in A2, and make A3=A1 * A2. Then make the display show zero precision (i.e. in whole numbers) for those cells.

Voila! 10 times Pi equals 30!
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In Ex 34:1, God says that He Himself will rewrite what is on the stones. God then asks Moses to write "the words of the covenant".

So what does God write, and what does Moses write?

God obviously rewrites what were on the first Stones of the Covenant, Ex 20.

What Moses writes is symbolic of a *renewal* of the 600 odd commands that he wrote down in the Book of the Covenant (see Ex 24:7).

If you compare the "commandments" in Ex 34 with those in Ex 23 (esp Ex 23:14-19), you can see a representative of the same commands being given.

The confusion lies in Ex 24:28, where the word "he" is used to apply to Moses, when in fact it applies to God. (The NKJV capitalises the "He" to show this). I believe the original Hebrew doesn't use capitalisation, hence the ambiguity. But the context (from Ex 34:1) certainly shows it is God doing the writing.
Well....

Exodus 34:1
Now the LORD said to Moses, "Cut out for yourself two stone tablets like the former ones, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the former tablets which you shattered.

Exodus 34:4
So he cut out two stone tablets like the former ones, and Moses rose up early in the morning and went up to Mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and he took two stone tablets in his hand.

Exodus 34:28
So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

It seems clear from these passages that there were only two stone tablets, and they contained the Ten Commandments, which were also called the covenant which you seem to be referring to.

Am I mis-reading this? Does it imply there more than two stone tablets? Did Moses write on some other medium? Is that supported by the text? Why are there exactly 10 items in this proposed covenant which Moses is supposed to be writing while God writes the 10 commandments?

Perhaps we should split this off into another thread. It's been debated here last year, but the theist got himself booted off the board for being overly rude and having an invalid email address...
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I'll start a new thread.
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