mountainman

Hellenistic gentiles is almost a tautology.

We must remember that the Roman empire was not Italian but Greek.
Therefore it might be more appropriate to say that we have Romans
sponsoring certains Greeks to write what we have received.

There is nothing gnostic in the gospel of the cross as it appears
in the canon, neither are any of the wisdom sayings which were
pumped as a collage into the gospels, deleivered in the typically
gnostic sense as found in the Gospel of Thomas.

To my mind it is more reasonable to consider that the gnostics
were entirely responsible for the entire corpus of the non canonical
new testament literature, which they wrote after reading the canon.

IamJoseph

The ancient Jews were far ahead of today's Jews, relative to their times. Consider that the first alphabetical books, today's laws, science, monotheism - even democrasy and evolution observed today came from ancient Jews - almost a 1000 years before anyone else.

Name one Roman law active today and enshrined in today's legal instutions - depraved Rome is truely dead?


Better, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER.

Yes, humanity had these laws before Judaism, and they are affirmed as correct by its inclusion in the 613 Hebrew laws. Significantly, the wrong laws were not accepted. The only document I know which contains a comprehensive list of correct laws followed by the wrld is the Hebrew. IOW, if its an accepted law - it is contained in the Hebrew bible, and if its not contained - its not an accepted law. Check it out for yourself. This shows how advanced the ancients were.


The problem was that Rome, like the church which followed it - forbid others from observing their own laws. This was Rome's decree, and later taken on board in the Gospel and Quran. In contrast, the Hebrew gives equal rights to all, regardless of their beliefs, with no names attached to those laws as encumbent.

'Zealous'.

I have no problem with Hinduism or Buddhism. They do not say Jews are born of the devil or its a blessing to kill Jews.


You are escaping the issues here. Its about the right to freedom of belief, and equal rights to all.

This is not required to be said of Judaism - is has no relevance or application. You are being escapist by not addressing those who need to be told this.

IamJoseph

This is very true and impacting: Roman might - Greek mind. Christianity was a greek instigated religion, and all of the Gospels is inclined with the Greek religion and history. The Greeks were sold on Judaism via Alexander, whose greatest act was not his wars but the Septuagint - this is what changed the world. But the Greeks wanted a doctored Judaism - they were unable to negate their beliefs and cultures, and viewed forbiddence of images, circumsizion and the dietary restrictions as unacceptable - they got their opportunity after the Roman war, which they also instigated, and Christianity was born.

This explains why the Pauline beliefs spread like wild fire with the premise of the Hebrew laws are fullfiled: the truth is that Paul would never have prevailed if the laws were not negated.

Clivedurdle

Yes, but it is very incomplete, I tend to chuck out stuff here and on the Well.

http://clivedurdle.wordpress.com/

storytime

Well, at least you admit that humanity had and practiced civil laws before the Jews decided to adopt the same precepts.

Jews were ahead of their time, relatively speaking that is? And they believed in evolution of man long before anyone else? That's a stretch I think.

So what if Rome prohibited others from worshiping other gods than Roman gods? Your Hebrew bible did the same in forbidding others from worshiping idols in the Jewish society. There was no equal rights on any side, and your Hebrew bible was not telling its stories of equal rights to others. What would have happened had an idol worshiper brought his idol into the temple or synagogue and told the Jews he had a right to worship it along side Yahweh? I can't imagine Jews giving such a person equal rights. Even in the NT the Gentiles are warned to observe Jewish custom while among the Jews. So your equal rights is nothing.

Who said it was a blessing to kill Jews? I can't remember reading anything in the NT or other works. However, Jesus THE JEW did say to bring his enemies before him so that he might slay them. This is what Christians call figurative speech. Peter calls the Jews murderer's. Paul says the Jews are contrary to all men. Seems this Jew against Jew hatred was forced into non Jewish societies by way of "the bible" and stupid Romans who adopted it as their own doctrinal code of division in separation from the Jews. But I'm curious, what do you think would have resulted had the Romans not separated themselves from Jewish customs and tradition? I think they could have done so without hanging onto and using the Hebrew/Jewish bible. But they needed the Hebrew bible in order to validate their claim about Jesus being sent from god at the beginning. So they twisted the scripts to fit their storyline and we've ended up with what we've got - chaos. People who believe in an ancient thunder god who supposedly told his people to cut off the foreskins of their penis to please his sadistic "mark" in the flesh. I think Jews today have come to realize just what the Hebrew god is in all his gory detail and therefore Jews today are much more intelligent than those of 2000 years ago.