Lugubert

So, what would you suggest? "Is this not the for example architect, carpenter or stonemason?"

sotto voce

But for the mythicist, it's about the best that can be done. Putting a light to a straw man, putting a real man in a bad light, these are the barrel scrapes that mythicism may lead to, demonstrating its own enervation. It can even become a sort of juvenile game, attempt at promotion of this idea.

The fact is that nobody can prove anything, one way or another. Those who wish to reject HJ may do so, entirely without impediment. Those who wish to accept HJ may do so, without hindrance. Maybe that's the idea. Maybe there's no idea.

aa5874

What a load of BS. Clement of Alexander did NOT advance the HJ argument.

Once Clement of Alexander had NO credible history of Jesus as a human being then Clement's writings are evidence for Myth Jesus.

Please, you seem to be completely unaware of Greek/Roman mythology where characters that are described as Human and Born of the same woman are STILL regarded as Myths.

Please, in gLuke, the angel Gabriel was in Nazareth but such a claim does NOT make the Angel a figure of history.

outhouse

being a poor poverty stricken jew living the life below that of a common peasant


the proper term is handworker, doing odd job's for whatever he could probably working 14-16 hours a day, then being taxed for most of the days pay.

many scholars believe [a direct quote from ehrman] he would have left Nazareth around 4:30 to work in Sepphoris til the sunset. again if he worked there.


many of his parable do surround stonework, but then again thats all that was in Nazareth. handworker doing oddjobs is the best guess at this time.

aa5874

What fiction stories people invent about THEIR Jesus. There is NOTHING at all anywhere in antiquity which show that Jesus would have left Nazareth to work in Sepphoris around 4.30. Such a claim is Part of a MODERN Invention.

In the Bible, Jesus used to WALK on the sea of Galilee about at 4.30, the fourth watch of the night.

Matthew 14:25 KJV Come on, Let us do history.

Presumptions and Assumptions are WORTHLESS. Tell Ehrman Jesus was NOT working at 4.30 he was WALKING on the sea.

After all, a Ghost NEEDS to practice his skills in the DARK on Water.

tanya

If person abc argued that JC was "only divine", then, why mention his opinion, in a thread focused on addressing the question of a biological Jesus?

Mark makes clear that Jesus was divine.

Then, if Stephan is correct, we need to identify some other author who first explained that Jesus was initially "born of a woman, born according to the law", why wouldn't that be Paul?

Else, why not Justin Martyr?

He wrote before Irenaeus, no?

outhouse

mark makes clear he was also fully human


and we know romans had a habit of deifying mortal men that the jesus concept would have to compete with

outhouse

paul didnt know him


only after his death was the knowledge of a deity passed on to paul through oral tradition

Horatio Parker

In The Homeric Epics and the Gospel of Mark" (or via: amazon.co.uk), it's suggested that Jesus is portrayed as a carpenter because the author of gMark wanted to show Jesus as a greater hero than Odysseus. Odysseus was an accomplished carpenter in Homer, who built a ship, among other things.

outhouse

Now if that were the case Gmarks author, would have stated tekton wood,


or tekton boats,

back then tekton was a handworker doing odd jobs. a renter living in the windowless dirt floored houses made out of fieldstone, plastered with mud.




only later poor interpretations made him into a carpenter



the author of the book you noted has a good point though, and I agree that the kesus cocept was competeing with roman men and deities. Butnot as much as he claims with homer