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Casper · 02-09-2007, 04:29 PM

I have heard that greek myth was possibly a form of this;

Sorry, this is my 22nd hour here and i am foggy, but the one about Icarus with wax wings flying too close to the sun could have been allegorical to earlier stories of a son unable to heed a fathers warnings and ending up wet as in wetting the bed.

maybe I misunderstand the expression though.

How about the transformation of Chrestus into Christos (as words)? It would have to be deliberate of course.

Edit: I remembered the name

spin · 02-09-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gamera

Exegesis isn't interpretation or reinterpretation. It is a specific type of literary analysis

Going from one blunder to another, as though literary analysis is anything other than interpretation.

spin

andrewcriddle · 02-10-2007, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Gamera

One theme that recurs on this board is exegetical readings of Hebrew scriptures to elucidate the intent of the author. But is it at all clear that the exegesis was hermeneutic that Hebrew authors would have even understood before the 1st century CE. As far as I can tell, the earliest examples of exegetical readings of Hebrew scripture are from Philo and Paul. I'm not aware of any textual evidence indicating an earlier use of the method.

Does anybody know of earlier texts that demonstrate familiarity with exegesis in Jewish culture? I'm beginning to think it was a later, as opposed to an early, hermeneutic.

Hi Gamera

I am not entirely clear what you mean by exegetical readings of Scripture but I would have thought that some of the Dead Sea Scrolls such as the pesher on Habakkuk would be relevent.

Andrew Criddle

Steven Avery · 02-10-2007, 02:43 AM

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Hi Gamera, I am not entirely clear what you mean by exegetical readings of Scripture but I would have thought that some of the Dead Sea Scrolls such as the pesher on Habakkuk would be relevent.

Hi Gamera and Andrew and all,

And how about the more fluid Targumim, such as Jonathan on Isaiah 53. Would that count as an exegetical reading ? Without the formal construct of the Wiki definition. Actually in the case of I-53 it has an eisegetical component as well. And it would, by good but not uncontested scholarship reckoning, precede Philo and Paul.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

spin · 02-10-2007, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by praxeus

And how about the more fluid Targumim, such as Jonathan on Isaiah 53. Would that count as an exegetical reading ? Without the formal construct of the Wiki definition. Actually in the case of I-53 it has an eisegetical component as well. And it would, by good but not uncontested scholarship reckoning, precede Philo and Paul.

Out of curiosity, how would date this Targumic text?

spin

John Kesler · 02-10-2007, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Gamera

Does anybody know of earlier texts that demonstrate familiarity with exegesis in Jewish culture? I'm beginning to think it was a later, as opposed to an early, hermeneutic.

1) The Chronicler's rewriting of Samuel and Kings.
2) The Book of Jubilees.

Gamera · 02-10-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewcriddle

Hi Gamera

I am not entirely clear what you mean by exegetical readings of Scripture but I would have thought that some of the Dead Sea Scrolls such as the pesher on Habakkuk would be relevent.

Andrew Criddle

I was thinking of that too. I need to reread that to see if it is an exegetical reading, and I suspect it is.

Gamera · 02-10-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spin

Going from one blunder to another, as though literary analysis is anything other than interpretation.

spin

Exegesis is a specific type of textual analysis. But it's clear you don't understand what exegesis is. So butt out.

spin · 02-10-2007, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gamera

Exegesis is a specific type of textual analysis. But it's clear you don't understand what exegesis is. So butt out.

You'll be defiant in your error. Textual analysis by necessity means interpreting the text. You cannot do any text analysis without interpreting text. Even if you just count letters you are interpreting letters. Why expose yourself so blatantly in public?

If you want to know some of the background to Paul's exegetical methodology, it might enter your head to look at the exegesis found in the Hebrew bible. You could check out for example "Biblical Interpretation in Ancient Israel (or via: amazon.co.uk)" by Michael Fishbane, OUP, 1985, but then again you might prefer your sty of contentment.

spin

spin · 02-10-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by John Kesler

1) The Chronicler's rewriting of Samuel and Kings.
2) The Book of Jubilees.

Interestingly, these aren't as transparent as you might think. I don't think the relationship between Chronicles and Sam/Kings is one of dependence. Jubilees is more closely related to the Genesis Apocryphon than it is to Genesis.

spin

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Casper Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 430	I have heard that greek myth was possibly a form of this; Sorry, this is my 22nd hour here and i am foggy, but the one about Icarus with wax wings flying too close to the sun could have been allegorical to earlier stories of a son unable to heed a fathers warnings and ending up wet as in wetting the bed. maybe I misunderstand the expression though. How about the transformation of Chrestus into Christos (as words)? It would have to be deliberate of course. Edit: I remembered the name

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