Toto

The folks in Evolution-Creationism specialize in all creationism issues, including Noah's Ark, so I'm sending this over there.

Duvenoy

Just got done with this subject on another forum, including David McKay's ship. It was built on speculation and was probably the only major mistake this master ship builder ever made.

I don't want to go through it all again, so I'll just hit one high point:

To build a vessel the size of the Ark, an entire shipyard would be required; foundries, smithies, sawpits, ropewalks, and all. Not to mention supporting facilities such as mess and quarters for the workmen. And also not to mention an entire forest of gopher trees, whatever those might be, and the gathering and refining of tons of pitch.

And in the end, the ship, or rather, barge, would have broached, foundered, and broken up in the first hour of the flood.

The Great Republic foundered in a storm off Jamaca, the fate of all of these oversized ships. Incredably, it had a working life of some 20 years and someone was manning the pumps for almost all of it. It was also very slow.

doov

mrmoderate

All of these arguments are based on what we think we know of ancient technology which has been proven innacurate many times in the past.

This may very well be like a sixth grade class trying to figure out how quantum physics works based on the knowledge that they have in the sixth grade. We still do not know how many ancient man made creations were done.

I for one am not ruling out extraterrestrial help.

greenbear

No, these arguments are based on a solid understanding of the laws of physics, practical seamanship, marine construction and ancient marine archaeological finds.

No, it is more like a person desperately trying to hold on to a particularly loony bible fairy tale that even a 6th grade class would have no trouble sinking.

Extraterrestrial help? Hmmm, believes the Noah fairy tale and ETs. Your education has failed you.

chestercopperpot

And I am not ruling out the Stargate.

Jet Black

I'm pretty sure one of these babies could have held all the animals.

Duvenoy

As the only evidence for extraterrestrial help with anything, beyond science fiction, is either Bible myth or Raelian-type blather, I'll rule it out. And until someone produces something solid, ruled out it will stay.

A wooden vessle between four and six hundred feet, depending upon who's version of the cubit is used (as I understand it, there were several) would hog, snake and sag even in calm waters. The so-called Flood would have been anything but calm and at those dimentions, wood of any sort would not have the strength.

But it would nicely and accuratly answer the question of how many 'kinds' were on the Ark. There would have been only one: Crab bait kind.

Could these ancient peoples have built such a structure, given the outlandish desire to do so, with the current technology? Um, maybe, if some experienced mariners and yardbirds were available, and enough people could be conned or flogged into bearing a hand, but it would not have been anything like the quality of the Great Republic. Which, as has been shown, was not the best of the Yankee Clippers. The Ark would have been kindling in the first swells. I'm not even sure it would have had time to broach.

But I'm sure the expidition, due to go in July, up the north face of Ararat will return with solid evidence that I'm full of it.

doov (ex-deckape)

Duvenoy

That's what happens when you try to work from memory. I should know better because when I finally get senile dementia, nobody's gonna notice any difference.

The Great Republic was built by Donald McKay, not David, and sank off Bermuda, not Jamaca.

doov

Sven

So you think ETs helped building the arc - but for which reason? We know from geology and genetics that a global flood never happened. So you think the ETs helped building it despite knowing that it'll never be used?

mrmoderate

Why is it that people who claim to be freethinkers are so closed minded? I am not trying to be flip here, I am serious. Throughout history closed minded men have refused to accept what they could not prove and have consistantly been proven wrong.

Instead of being a wall standing in the way of free thought why not use that energy of resistance to think outside of the box and contribute to the advancement of our knowledge rather than continuing to "prove" things wrong by using only what we currently know.

Do you guys not believe that mankind may have had knowledge that has been lost to antiquity?