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sotto voce · 04-28-2012, 07:49 AM

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I don't really care one way or another whether Jesus existed. The issue has been perpetuated in this forum primarily by Christians.

Toto I have to call BS on this.

Christians almost never back a HJ, they follow mythical jesus.

had you stated atheist and agnostic, then I would agree.

Christians, fat chance.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but the people who are most at pains to show that there was a historical Jesus are Christians. They also believe that this historical person had magical powers, but they don't necessarily talk about that until they get their hooks into a new convert.

There is only one prominent Christian who argues for mythicism - Tom Harpur.

A North American.

Vorkosigan · 04-28-2012, 08:54 AM

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No answer, then, on whether Hillel was historical?

<shrug> I don't give a shit, and without study of the documents, how can I have an informed opinion?

I'm more interested in your claim, which I note you refuse to support or discuss, that if NT/mythicist methodologies can't be generalized to Hillel then they are a form of special pleading. Is that true of all methods used in historical, social, and literary scholarship, or are you just making this claim about methods used by scholars to study the NT?

Vorkosigan

outhouse · 04-28-2012, 09:52 AM

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Toto I have to call BS on this.

Christians almost never back a HJ, they follow mythical jesus.

had you stated atheist and agnostic, then I would agree.

Christians, fat chance.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but the people who are most at pains to show that there was a historical Jesus are Christians. They also believe that this historical person had magical powers, but they don't necessarily talk about that until they get their hooks into a new convert.

There is only one prominent Christian who argues for mythicism - Tom Harpur.

your mistaking what I said.

Christians follow biblical jesus which is also "a" mythical jesus.

mythical jesus is not mythicism, its just how they wrote about mortal men back then.

Christians hate historical jesus because it strip's all the divinity away and turn's jesus into a poor peasant traveling teacher hybrid zealot who was a failed messiah who did not die for their sins

outhouse · 04-28-2012, 09:55 AM

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It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but the people who are most at pains to show that there was a historical Jesus are Christians. They also believe that this historical person had magical powers, but they don't necessarily talk about that until they get their hooks into a new convert.

There is only one prominent Christian who argues for mythicism - Tom Harpur.

A North American.

a canadian priest born in 1929

Toto · 04-28-2012, 10:56 AM

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Christians hate historical jesus because it strip's all the divinity away and turn's jesus into a poor peasant traveling teacher hybrid zealot who was a failed messiah who did not die for their sins

That's logical, but it's not how things are. Christians should hate the historical Jesus, but instead they have appropriated him and turned him on his creators.

Still waiting for outhouse to cite a singe source, so we can tell where he gets his ideas.

sotto voce · 04-28-2012, 10:58 AM

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It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but the people who are most at pains to show that there was a historical Jesus are Christians. They also believe that this historical person had magical powers, but they don't necessarily talk about that until they get their hooks into a new convert.

There is only one prominent Christian who argues for mythicism - Tom Harpur.

A North American.

a canadian priest born in 1929

What does he sacrifice? Moose? Maple?

outhouse · 04-28-2012, 11:20 AM

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Christians hate historical jesus because it strip's all the divinity away and turn's jesus into a poor peasant traveling teacher hybrid zealot who was a failed messiah who did not die for their sins

That's logical, but it's not how things are. Christians should hate the historical Jesus, but instead they have appropriated him and turned him on his creators.

Still waiting for outhouse to cite a singe source, so we can tell where he gets his ideas.

education is where I get my ideas.

knowledge of the cultural anthropology goes a long way over guessing about scripture

Toto · 04-28-2012, 12:22 PM

Give us a source for your knowledge of cultural anthropology.

outhouse · 04-28-2012, 12:58 PM

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Give us a source for your knowledge of cultural anthropology.

there is no single source.

I like Johnathon Green, but I dont follow any one persons philosophy.

I read alot

Toto · 04-28-2012, 01:28 PM

If you read a lot, you should be able to list the name of a book, right?

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