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Clivedurdle · 06-28-2008, 01:34 PM

Pat, what you have posted is exactly how I am thinking about this - and the point about the Jewish festival calendar being a framework definitely makes sense.

I think the reality is that there should be an explicit statement by biblical scholars and church leaders that asserting the existence of Jesus is a faith statement and that the reality is that there are clear indications of myth, various types of romance cycles, and that as with Arthur there may be a historical core - in Arthur's case with a Roman name! - but it is very very unclear.

I wonder if xians are able to follow that commandment - thou shalt not bear false witness - about this.

Clivedurdle · 06-28-2008, 01:38 PM

I have just realised that in primary school I consumed from Child's Hill Public Library a complete cycle of romances and am therefore sensitised to seeing them - Biggles!

Clivedurdle · 06-28-2008, 01:45 PM

The Amazon synopsis of Spong

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In this boldest book since Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism, Bishop John Shelby Spong offers a compelling view of the Gospels as thoroughly Jewish tests. Spong powerfully argues that many of the key Gospel accounts of events in the life of Jesus - from the stories of his birth to his physical resurrection - are not literally true. He offers convincing evidence that the Gospels are a collection of Jewish midrashic stories written to convey the significance of Jesus. This remarkable discovery brings us closer to how Jesus was really understood in his day and should be in ours.

mountainman · 06-28-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

I think the reality is that there should be an explicit statement by biblical scholars and church leaders that asserting the existence of Jesus is a faith statement

WTF do these people know about ancient history?
Specialist tasks for specialist sciences is available today.
Who needs more ill-informed opinion and heresay?
We need more C14.
Why is it not there?

We need more ancient historians and archaeologists examining the available evidence from the perspective of an ancient imperial fraud perpetrated on a captive populace and that the existence of the new testament and your man Jesus on the planet earth did not predate the momentous year 312 CE.

Best wishes

Pete

manwithdream · 06-29-2008, 09:03 PM

It is interesting that you are discussing King Arthur and J because here is a book that says J was King Arthur.
http://freespace.virgin.net/kena.edfu/books.html

Toto · 06-29-2008, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by manwithdream

It is interesting that you are discussing King Arthur and J because here is a book that says J was King Arthur.
http://freespace.virgin.net/kena.edfu/books.html

This is, like your local fake gypsy fortune teller or astrology column, "for entertainment purposes only."

Do not take this seriously

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My sister is a big fan of Graham Hancock, Robert Bauval and Zecharia Sitchin meaning she has the right head space to allow for alternative ancient history considerations. I am trying to expose her to Ralph Ellis, who's work I resonate with deeply and mentioned that he has suggested The Tower of Babel as being the great pyramid itself ....
This connects "Prince of Persia's" Babel Tower inside an 8 pointed star image, smoothly, with the hypothesis of the suspected interchangeable 8 sided Great Pyramid as Babel Tower. ....

The very next day I was delighted to sit down and listen to the ever illuminating Red Ice Creations podcasts, this very one being a new Ralph Ellis interview.

Much to my suprise but certainly not without precedent - I Being a long time synchromystic - Mr Ellis starts talking about Persia even saying the words "Prince of Persia". In this particular context he is referring to none other then Jesus Christ, Ellis being of the belief that Jesus was a Prince parented by the daughter of Cleopatra and Julius Caesar (J.C thus Jesus Christ resonating) who was diplomatically gifted to the Persian King by Octavian/Augustus (Oct/8 resonating).
...

:banghead:

:Cheeky:

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06-28-2008, 01:34 PM	#31
Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	Pat, what you have posted is exactly how I am thinking about this - and the point about the Jewish festival calendar being a framework definitely makes sense. I think the reality is that there should be an explicit statement by biblical scholars and church leaders that asserting the existence of Jesus is a faith statement and that the reality is that there are clear indications of myth, various types of romance cycles, and that as with Arthur there may be a historical core - in Arthur's case with a Roman name! - but it is very very unclear. I wonder if xians are able to follow that commandment - thou shalt not bear false witness - about this.

06-28-2008, 01:38 PM	#32
Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	I have just realised that in primary school I consumed from Child's Hill Public Library a complete cycle of romances and am therefore sensitised to seeing them - Biggles!

06-29-2008, 09:03 PM	#35
manwithdream Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: united states Posts: 156	It is interesting that you are discussing King Arthur and J because here is a book that says J was King Arthur. http://freespace.virgin.net/kena.edfu/books.html

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