Freethought & Rationalism Archive

Sensei Meela · 02-21-2005, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparrow

It matches the biblical account now that you’ve redefined the cubit, asserted that wood from before the flood had no rings because there was no rain whatsoever before the flood, had Noah go to Turkey to get wood to build an ark hundreds of mile south of there (which then conveniently floats back to its original location – homing wood like homing pigeons?), ascribed the invention of plywood and metallurgy to ancient goatherders, invalidated the written history of older cultures and ignored all the negative evidence as mentioned above. Your whole argument sounds like wishful thinking. Then you start your next paragraph with:

Quote:

Oh I'm pretty gullible, I see.

Causing a chain reaction of irony meter explosions around the world. I’m underwhelmed too.

:notworthy

My thoughts exarctly.

rlogan · 02-21-2005, 08:37 PM

In the Lost Book of Noah there is a secret that has been shown to me by divine revelation.

The smallest creature on the ark is inserted into the anus of the next larger creature, which is in turn inserted into the next largest, and etc.

Finally, (and here's the tricky part), the largest of the dinosaurs (containing all of the other animals) is shoved up the anus of Noah.

After the flood was over and all the earth was populated with said creatures, Noah's wife remarked:

"Boy, you really pulled that one out of your ass, didn't you."

badger3k · 02-21-2005, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jackalope

Sigh. I should've saved off the rebuttal George posted on TheologyWeb the last time someone tried to come up with an engineering study of Noah's Ark. My husband has a degree in naval architechture and wrote a long piece on just why a wooden ship that size was a damn stupid idea. Worse, it's a wooden barge. Should've saved the whole thing to repost every time someone starts in on this.

Damn - that's too bad. It would have made interesting reading. One recent show I saw on the subject had some naval engineer or something, and he made a similar case (including something about the size and the material available would have split the ship open, IIRC). Too bad I can't remember what show. Watch too many of the things.

badger3k · 02-21-2005, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparrow

It matches the biblical account now that you’ve redefined the cubit, asserted that wood from before the flood had no rings because there was no rain whatsoever before the flood, had Noah go to Turkey to get wood to build an ark hundreds of mile south of there (which then conveniently floats back to its original location – homing wood like homing pigeons?), ascribed the invention of plywood and metallurgy to ancient goatherders, invalidated the written history of older cultures and ignored all the negative evidence as mentioned above. Your whole argument sounds like wishful thinking. Then you start your next paragraph with:
Causing a chain reaction of irony meter explosions around the world. I’m underwhelmed too.

Hey - the ark was made of sapient pearwood! Solves all the problems, except what the ark did with all the feet?

badger3k · 02-21-2005, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sensei Meela

It is a typo; the site is Durupinar, also called Cudi/Masher Dagi or "Doomsday Mountain."
This -- a reprint of the Journal of Geosciences Education article -- is about the only traditional scientific publication that has touched upon Wyatt's "discoveries" that I can find.
Curious, isn't it? I suppose they will also be branded as "liars" however...

More on the subject of Mr Wyatt: tentmaker, with links to a few Christian sites, and here's a reply to the previous post someone did (sorry I forgot who) on the petrified wood: here. I'll reproduce part below:

Quote:

Previous explorers of the site concluded that since the Durupinar site did not contain wood, petrified or otherwise, it must be only an unusual natural rock formation. Wyatt, on the other hand, claims that the Durupinar site contains "train-loads" of petrified wood (p. 13, no. 5). The problem, according to Wyatt, is that the "petrified wood" of the Durupinar site is different from any other petrified wood. It has no growth rings.

Since his petrified wood has no growth rings, he concludes that the Durupinar site proves that trees before the flood had no growth rings {pp. 15-16, 73). To strengthen his point, Wyatt uses a quote about a tree identified as Sigillaria as "proof" that pre-flood trees had no growth rings (pp. 15).

Sigillaria, like much of the pre-flood flora and fauna are not known in the post-flood world. Scientists have, however cataloged over 200 species of petrified trees, many of them related to trees of today, and these trees all have growth rings.4 Harold Coffin writes, "Wyatt refers to extinct giant club mosses that do not have growth rings as evidence that preflood trees do not have growth rings. The giant club moss, Sigillata, could be compared with papaya, or banana or other fast-growing trees with pulpy wood. Yes, it does not have growth rings but that is not evidence for preflood conifers or deciduous trees. They do have good growth rings. I have spent years studying petrified trees in various areas of North America, in Patigonia [sic], and in Australia. They have growth rings if they are trees that normally are expected to have rings."5 The lack of growth rings, in what Wyatt thinks is wood, is evidence that the Durupinar "boat" is not made of wood.

Sensei Meela · 02-21-2005, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badger3k

More on the subject of Mr Wyatt: tentmaker, with links to a few Christian sites...

Oh, you must've missed it on page three:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lysimachus

Sensei Meela,

Don't think it's going to be that easy by posting a link by Tentmaker. If anything, they are the biggest liars on face of the planet.

badger3k · 02-21-2005, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sensei Meela

Oh, you must've missed it on page three:

Yeah, that did slip by. Now I guess I have to read back what I skimmed. And add: :banghead:

badger3k · 02-21-2005, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diogenes the Cynic

I don't know anything about the technology of arks but as to when the story was invented, the earliest Sumerian version (in Gilgamesh) dates to something like 2000 BCE.

I forget where I mentioned a tv show, but there was a Dec 23rd showing on the Learning Channel. In it, they dramatized the Sumerian story, where Noah was a merchant on his boot, and from some climatological or meteorlogical data they estimated rainfall, and a large flood on the tigris or euphrates was possible. According to the myth and dramatization, the "flood" carried the Sumerian Noah and whoever else was on the boat out to sea, where they apparently ended up. IIRC, they believe the original in the story ended up in Qatar or some such place, where there are many burial sites undisturbed. They postulate that the Jews heard or finalized their story during the Babylonian period, although I think they dould have heard and modified it on their own long before that. Unfortunately, that's most of what I know on that subject.

Sensei Meela · 02-21-2005, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badger3k

Yeah, that did slip by. Now I guess I have to read back what I skimmed. And add: :banghead:

Heh heh...prolly missed the link to the naval engineer's take that you mentioned, too...no worries, though.

badger3k · 02-21-2005, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sensei Meela

Heh heh...prolly missed the link to the naval engineer's take that you mentioned, too...no worries, though.

Yeah - that's what I get for trying to install a tile floor and read on these things at the same time. I better save this and reread it in more detail - I even missed the fact that the one poster works for/with wyatt. No wonder he's so funny. Thanks.

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version	Search this Thread: Advanced Search

02-21-2005, 08:37 PM	#112
rlogan Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,159	In the Lost Book of Noah there is a secret that has been shown to me by divine revelation. The smallest creature on the ark is inserted into the anus of the next larger creature, which is in turn inserted into the next largest, and etc. Finally, (and here's the tricky part), the largest of the dinosaurs (containing all of the other animals) is shoved up the anus of Noah. After the flood was over and all the earth was populated with said creatures, Noah's wife remarked: "Boy, you really pulled that one out of your ass, didn't you."

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.