Freethought & Rationalism Archive

Evoken · 08-16-2004, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naked Ape

I think I understand why you feel that no true christian ever commits an atrocity, the people who do bad things in the name of christian dogma are automatically not christian. If this pattern holds true for all religions, then all atrocities are being committed by atheists, since doing bad things means you stop being a whatever-religionist. How convenient.

It is not about convenience, I don't aim to speak for all religions, all I am saying is that Christianity does not command people to commit atrocities and those who do it are distorting its meaning or simply ignoring it.

Quote:

Perhaps this would fly if you could produce some official atheist dogma or perhaps quoted the atheist magic book out of context for support (what was that book's title again?). But wait, since atheism is simply the lack of belief in theistic concepts, there is no atheist dogma or magic book.

That is exactly the reason why it is not supported, because there is nothing that aproves such an action, this is the same I am saying about Christianity.

Quote:

God may indeed hate shrimp, but I think he's fictional and they are delicious no matter what the magic book says.

And this of course, is a perfect example of "Christians" ignoring what The Bible teaches and playing pick and choose with it to suit their own goals.

Oh and I love shrimp too

Have a good day,
Asimis

WCH · 08-16-2004, 08:21 PM

I don't know, Torah gives some pretty direct commands to do some serious violence.

Remember that whole Manifest Destiny thing that lead to the oppression of aboriginal Americans, and the invasions of both Mexico and British North America? Biblical concept. The Americans at the time applied the teachings about the promised land to North America and acted accordingly. Without Judaism/Christianity, none of that would have happened.

Evoken · 08-16-2004, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WCH

I don't know, Torah gives some pretty direct commands to do some serious violence.

Don't forget that many of those rules were later abrogated by Jesus with the New Covenant.

Quote:

Remember that whole Manifest Destiny thing that lead to the oppression of aboriginal Americans, and the invasions of both Mexico and British North America? Biblical concept. The Americans at the time applied the teachings about the promised land to North America and acted accordingly. Without Judaism/Christianity, none of that would have happened.

Yes, like I said. Many things have been done in the name of Christianity, but do they really find justification in it? Or are people merely distorting it to suit their goals? Like in the shrimp example above.

Pyrrho · 08-17-2004, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IAsimisI

Quote:

Originally Posted by WCH

I don't know, Torah gives some pretty direct commands to do some serious violence.

Don't forget that many of those rules were later abrogated by Jesus with the New Covenant.

Here are the words of Jesus, as reported in Matthew 5:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

So, what is changed now? A couple of jots and tittles, perhaps? Have Heaven and earth passed without us noticing?

Evoken · 08-17-2004, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyrrho

So, what is changed now? A couple of jots and tittles, perhaps? Have Heaven and earth passed without us noticing?

I am not sure if you are not aware or are intentionally ignoring things but your "question" finds its answer in the very chapter you quoted from.

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version	Search this Thread: Advanced Search

08-16-2004, 08:21 PM	#152
WCH Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 6,290	I don't know, Torah gives some pretty direct commands to do some serious violence. Remember that whole Manifest Destiny thing that lead to the oppression of aboriginal Americans, and the invasions of both Mexico and British North America? Biblical concept. The Americans at the time applied the teachings about the promised land to North America and acted accordingly. Without Judaism/Christianity, none of that would have happened.

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.