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Wads4 · 12-20-2005, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Orthodox_Freethinker

What better day for the Son of God, 'the light of the world', to be born?

That is why the Christians pinched it.

King Rat · 12-20-2005, 03:15 PM

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright and morning star.
Rev 22:16

Well now, ain't that interesting.

Asha'man · 12-20-2005, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by King Rat

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright and morning star.
Rev 22:16

Well now, ain't that interesting.

Yep, Jesus is Satan, the great deciever, prince of lies, and author of all confusion. And he has the audacity to admit it for us. :rolling:

King Rat · 12-20-2005, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Asha'man

Yep, Jesus is Satan, the great deciever, prince of lies, and author of all confusion. And he has the audacity to admit it for us. :rolling:

This book is the most confused collection of words ever. And I don't mean just Revelations, I'm talking the whole enchilada. What you thought was guacamole ends up being green salsa.

show_no_mercy · 12-20-2005, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Asha'man

Yep, Jesus is Satan, the great deciever, prince of lies, and author of all confusion. And he has the audacity to admit it for us. :rolling:

:rolling:

I posted my evidence for this a couple of months ago:

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...58#post2266758

As for the OP, Orthodox_Freethinker I dunno how well you know your history, but "Christmas" was originally celebrated on the winter solstice. In modern times, the winter solstice falls on Dec. 21st, but 2,000 years ago before the calendar reform, that day was Dec. 25th. Instead of moving the date along with the calendar reform, Christians kept Christmas on Dec 25th.

From wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christm...s_of_Christmas

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The context in which Christianity, and thus Christmas, was formed was the Roman Empire. The Romans honored Saturn, the ancient god of agriculture, each year beginning on December 17. In a festival called the Saturnalia they glorified past days when the god Saturn ruled. This festival lasted for seven days and included the winter solstice which by the Julian calendar fell on December 25. During Saturnalia the Romans feasted, postponed all business and warfare, exchanged gifts, and temporarily freed their slaves.

Hmmm... the part in bold seems really familiar...

King Rat · 12-20-2005, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by show_no_mercy

:rolling:

I posted my evidence for this a couple of months ago:

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...58#post2266758

...And all the gnostic lurkers raise their fists and nod their heads.

We oughta pick a bible passage at random and see how long it takes to find a contrary passage, but somebody has probably already done that too!

Orthodox_Freethinker · 12-20-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Neutral

Hi Mr. Orthodox freethinker
I don’t know if you know this or not but Christians in Egypt celebrate Christmas on January 7 not Dec 25!

That depends on whether one folows the Julian or the Gregorian calendar. Either way, he was born around this time of the year. Thirteen days isn't that much of a difference.

Orthodox_Freethinker · 12-20-2005, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by King Rat

I thought that title belonged to lucifer.

"I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life" (Jn. 8:12).

Orthodox_Freethinker · 12-20-2005, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by King Rat

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright and morning star.
Rev 22:16

Well now, ain't that interesting.

There is a contrast between the false light of Lucifer and the true light of Christ. Remember, even Satan appears as an angel of light. (2 Corinthians 11:14)

Orthodox_Freethinker · 12-20-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaupoline

The day was chosen to correlate with a Roman Winter Solstice, to appease its Roman converts.

What existed first, the eternal Son of God or a pagan celebration? Christ's being born on this day perhaps shows how He is the fulfillment of not only Judaism but paganism as well.

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