Malachi151

A conflict between God and Satan isn't clearly depicted anywhere in the Bible. That's an idea that comes primarily from extra-Biblical literature, such as Paradise Lost, etc.

Booky

:worried: Being the same today, tomorrow and yesterday does not exclude the reality that people, places and things change all the time.

Even the fact of creating a "New Testiment" means changing the old.

:devil: I am not a "literalist" because I know the Bible has many flaws, but I do like to take up the literalist cause.

The God of the old testiment is exonerated by our own human actions.

Like the USA dropped atomic bombs on two Japanese cities and Yahweh ordered the destruction of Sodom and Gamorrah. Most people can see the rightness of the USA but decry the Bible account and thus the hypocrisy is ours.

Since God said those cities were sin filled and later Jesus said that Sodom and Gamorrah would be better off at the resurrection Mark 6:11 b then the destruction that God performed was more righteous then the destruction that the USA did since we offered no resurrection to the men, women and children duly killed.

And after that we find in the New Testiment that Jesus dis-claims the words of Moses in that Moses was teaching the people wrong per Matthew 19:7-8 link HERE.

I would say that is equivolent to comparing Moses with our President Truman who could have bombed only one (1) Japanese city - but the man bombed two.

:deadhorse: .............. :boohoo:

Alias

Yep, Christianity is a regional religion.

Roland

The A-bomb analogy has at least one major flaw. Whether rightly or wrongly, Truman dropped the bombs as a defensive measure, to get an attacking nation to stop attacking. In the Bible, it is the Israelites, spurred on by Jehovah, who are the attackers, laying waste to the Canaanites because they happened to be sitting on some land the Israelites, for some, reason, felt entitled to.

Moreover, I'm not even sure that it is ever implied that Sodom and Gomorrah ever posed a threat to their neighbors. In fact, since the text says that "all" the people of the cities were already depraved and corrupt, I'm not sure who the victims would have been who would have needed protection.

trendkill

Not to mention that the US did not create Japan in the first place and cause it to attack the US so that the US could then demonstrate its might by nuking Japan. :P

Timetospend

If you want a literatist view, I would suggest that you use his own words:
Ex 34:6-7
6 The LORD passed before him, and proclaimed,
"The LORD, the LORD,
a God merciful and gracious,
slow to anger,
and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness,
7 keeping steadfast love for the thousandth generation,
forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin,
yet by no means clearing the guilty,
but visiting the iniquity of the parents
upon the children
and the children's children,
to the third and the fourth generation."
NRSV

I believe that the Isrealites of olde found 13 attributes of God in this passage(not exactly the same 13 found today by many Jews). Perhaps if you understood the meaning of this passage, you would stop worshipping the opponent...by the way, it would seem to me that opponent is not a very good name for a superior being...perhaps you should call him something else.