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Joan of Bark · 08-28-2008, 04:54 AM

YES, I would have preferred he use more simplistic language, because He was supposed to be passing on a critical message for everyone to follow. When a building is on fire, you don't get the people out by speaking in parables.

And Jesus consistently mentions God as His FATHER. If Jesus is God, why is He constantly referring to God in the third person? (Wait, let me guess ... you're going to use a lot of linguistic gymnastics, along the lines of ... well, if you assume A, B, and C, and then realize that D might actually mean E, and combine it with F and G, then what He's really saying is that He's God!)

sschlichter · 08-28-2008, 06:12 AM

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yes, sure. If you are sin-less then you have no need for Christ. Do you always adhere to your set of morals? Romans 3:9-23 suggests that neither you or I can do that.

If you can make that case before God then go for justice. I personally, do not want justice from God. I am going for mercy.
~Steve

Yeah, there's not much hope for justice from the being who gave us floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, malaria, polio, the Black Death, influenza, cholera, smallpox and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.
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I can see feeling that way from where we are sitting but perhaps whether your heart is beating and for how long does not hold as much significance as you have placed on it.

sschlichter · 08-28-2008, 06:18 AM

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YES, I would have preferred he use more simplistic language, because He was supposed to be passing on a critical message for everyone to follow. When a building is on fire, you don't get the people out by speaking in parables.

And Jesus consistently mentions God as His FATHER. If Jesus is God, why is He constantly referring to God in the third person? (Wait, let me guess ... you're going to use a lot of linguistic gymnastics, along the lines of ... well, if you assume A, B, and C, and then realize that D might actually mean E, and combine it with F and G, then what He's really saying is that He's God!)

If parables were not clear enough for you then why did you make your point by using a parable of a building on fire.

HaRaAYaH · 08-28-2008, 09:07 PM

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I disagree HaRaAYaH if it is commanded and without the OT the NT has no meaning so Xians don't get a free pass. Just because they decide to be Jewish lite does not mean they are exempt. When they stole your religion they also must accept the baggage that comes with it and yet they do not. While i agree it is not the death penalty we are talking about what we are talking about is sin. What makes wool and cotton together a sin? Again I reiterate it is all about control. Sin is nothing but a control mechanism enabling the few elitist to reign over a mass public.

You really are wildly off the mark. First, these rules only apply to Jews and Christians are not Jews. They are no longer bound to the Torah laws the way Jews are. How Christians view the Torah and the laws contained therein is up to them.

I guess you want a discussion of "sin" from a Jewish point of view and that's fine, I think you will be surprised. But first, please tell me what you think sin is? Are all "sins" the same?

Joan of Bark · 08-28-2008, 11:02 PM

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YES, I would have preferred he use more simplistic language, because He was supposed to be passing on a critical message for everyone to follow. When a building is on fire, you don't get the people out by speaking in parables.

And Jesus consistently mentions God as His FATHER. If Jesus is God, why is He constantly referring to God in the third person? (Wait, let me guess ... you're going to use a lot of linguistic gymnastics, along the lines of ... well, if you assume A, B, and C, and then realize that D might actually mean E, and combine it with F and G, then what He's really saying is that He's God!)

If parables were not clear enough for you then why did you make your point by using a parable of a building on fire.

Because you seem to like them.

Joan of Bark · 08-28-2008, 11:07 PM

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Yeah, there's not much hope for justice from the being who gave us floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, malaria, polio, the Black Death, influenza, cholera, smallpox and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.
:devil:

I can see feeling that way from where we are sitting but perhaps whether your heart is beating and for how long does not hold as much significance as you have placed on it.

Oh, wait a moment. Are you arguing that human life isn't worth much -- so your loving and merciful God can do as He wishes with it? Well, then you and your baby-torturing mass-murdering God deserve each other. You're both inhumane.

sschlichter · 08-29-2008, 10:02 AM

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I can see feeling that way from where we are sitting but perhaps whether your heart is beating and for how long does not hold as much significance as you have placed on it.

Oh, wait a moment. Are you arguing that human life isn't worth much -- so your loving and merciful God can do as He wishes with it? Well, then you and your baby-torturing mass-murdering God deserve each other. You're both inhumane.

You know I did not say that. How about if you tell me what length of life and manner of death you consider to be morally acceptable.

Doug Shaver · 08-29-2008, 12:00 PM

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So I ask, "What is a sin according to the bible?"

The Bible provides no unambiguous answer to that question.

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I have been told that according to the bible, someone must have not one sin unforgiven, in order to enter.

You have been given somebody's interpretation of the Bible. There are plenty of contrary interpretations.

But, for anyone concerned about such things, the weightier question seems to be: What is the forgiveness of any sin contingent upon?

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Is there a list of sins somewhere in the bible,

There are several, and none of them is exhaustive.

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Is sin really breaking the law of God?

One of the Bible's authors defined it as such, yes.

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If so, what is this Law?

The Bible's authors do not agree on the answer to that question.

Doug Shaver · 08-29-2008, 12:06 PM

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I am just trying to answer the question of what the Bible says about sin.

You're doing a fine job of giving us your interpretation of the Bible.

You're not doing quite so well at explaining why anyone should think your interpretation is more likely to be the right one than any of several other interpretations that Christians have come up with over the past 2,000 years.

Doug Shaver · 08-29-2008, 12:12 PM

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God may allow bad things to happen

Does he have any choice in the matter?

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he does not wish them so.

That would imply he does not have a choice.

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08-28-2008, 04:54 AM	#71
Joan of Bark Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pua, in northern Thailand Posts: 2,823	YES, I would have preferred he use more simplistic language, because He was supposed to be passing on a critical message for everyone to follow. When a building is on fire, you don't get the people out by speaking in parables. And Jesus consistently mentions God as His FATHER. If Jesus is God, why is He constantly referring to God in the third person? (Wait, let me guess ... you're going to use a lot of linguistic gymnastics, along the lines of ... well, if you assume A, B, and C, and then realize that D might actually mean E, and combine it with F and G, then what He's really saying is that He's God!)

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