Chili

Yah but if Jesus was the reborn Joseph of which Luke gives the proper chain of events that would change everything, and then 38 seems to be the right age for this to happen [around the world], and the rest is religion containing both food for lambs and food for sheep and as a good shepherd throwing in some bait for wolves.

aa5874

The 2000 word argument in "Against Heresies" 2.22 has DESTROYED all claims that Marcion had gLuke and the Pauline writings in his possession.

In "First Apology", Justin Martyr claimed Marcion preached ANOTHER GOD and ANOTHER SON and ALSO claimed that it was 12 ILLITERATE men who preached the Gospel to every race of men.

No mention of Paul is made.

Hippolytus in "Refutation of All Heresies" claimed Marcion used the DOCTRINE of Empedocles.

"Against Heresies" 2.22 has EXPOSED the FRAUD, FORGERIES and FICTION of the Church.

mountainman

In which century were these criminal activities UNDERTAKEN, can the crime be narrowed down to a range of centuries, or did they get away with it as usual? Who by Jesus Henry Christ are the prime suspects for the forgery and fabrication of "Against Heresies"? Did you email Ratzinger ?

Sheshbazzar

I believe Ratiznger & Co are quite well aware of what manner of scam it was that was pulled off by their predecessors.
But when one has inherited a flock of over a billion sheeple, one is in no hurry to sell off the ranch before the flock has been fully fleeced.

Chili

There exists an intricate weave between the 4 Gosples that show exactly why Matthew went wrong to be compared with Luke where everything goes right and why Mark went wrong to be compared with John for the same reason and of which neither can exist without the other simply because they are opposites and cannot be conceived to exist without the other.

The twelve illiterate men who preached the gospel are in the manner of Matthew who went back to Galilee to 'do' another 40 years (still popular today), while in Luke they must bear the stigmata first and so know first hand what the end is all about to not lead anyone astray as Galilean-without-end.
To be sure, "why has't thou forsaken me" is wrong in both Matthew and Mark while "father into your hands" in Luke is poised to be right and "it is finished" is fully in control of destiny-without-end.

Now many are called but few are chosen comes to mind here so that the wolf can feed the lamb which among the pagans is not a wolf in that sheep are required to make 'sheeps clothing' and so wolving possible and thus sheep are typically Catholic and not Christian in the same way as Egyptians are not Nazoreans to be chosen while yet called. IOW, it's open season on pagans and fraud is not possible here.

Chili

The Native Indians here in Canada have won a similar claim wherein they can just go inline to receive their $10.000 for the sufference endured by their grandparents(?) when they converted to Christianity, which in a similar vein also took a hundred years to let the closets come clean, I suppose, while I always thought that religion is just a vehicle to get to the end.

Chili

I have never been to Rome but they tell me that it is a real gold mine over there and not cheap for sure, and must make one think of buying a brush and start painting yourself.

Iskander

Nice to see you are back, Chili.

Chili

TY, it is a nice place to be and like here myself.

Just met this lady who went to Rome with her husband and she told me about the gold mine it was over there and that was my short answer to her.

aa5874

In the 2000 word argument of "Against Heresies" 2.22 it is claimed that John the disciple of the Lord and the other disciples did convey to people in Asia and Elders that Jesus Christ was crucified when he was about to be 50 years old or during the reign of Claudius.

But such an argument means that the author of the 2000 word argument could not have known of Acts of the Apostles, Paul and the Pauline writings.

In effect, John the disciple of Lord was a PREDECESSOR of Paul and the Pauline writings.

Well, the Muratorian Canon has corroborated "Against Heresies" 2.22.

It is claimed in the Muratorian Canon that Paul imitated his PREDECESSOR John and also wrote to SEVEN Churches.

"The Muratorian Canon" John the disciple WROTE his REVELATION to the SEVEN Churches BEFORE he was IMITATED by Paul.

Revelation 1 Apologetic sources have CORROBORATED that Paul and the Pauline writings were LATE and AFTER the Fall of the Temple.

1. Justin Martyr in "First Apology" XXXIX claimed it was 12 ILLITERATE disciples that preached the Gospel to every race of Men throughout the whole world and did NOT mention Paul.

2. In the 2000 word argument of "Against Heresies" 2.22, the author did NOT know of Paul and the Pauline writings but wrote of John the disciple.

3. In the Muratorian Canon, it is claimed John the disciple was a PREDECESSOR of Paul.

4. In the Muratorian Canon, it is claimed Paul IMITATED his PREDECESSOR and also wrote to Seven Churches.

5. In "Church History" 3.4.8 and 6.25, it is claimed that Paul was AWARE of and Commended gLuke and called it "My Gospel".

6. In the Pauline writings, 1 Cor 15.3-4, Pauline was AWARE of CHRISTIAN SCRIPTURES.

The History of the Church is BUSTED and the very evidence for the FRAUD, FORGERY AND FICTION of the Church was provided by the very same Church itself.

John the disciple was a PREDECESSOR of Paul and he IMITATED John and also wrote to SEVEN Churches.

The Revelation of John to the SEVEN Churches was written AFTER the Fall of the Temple.