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Amaleq13 · 07-15-2008, 07:38 PM

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I actually found this quite funny.

That just means you didn't understand the relevance of context in deciding which definition of a word applies.

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Another one of amaleqs irrelevant conclusions.

That wasn't a conclusion. It was an observation of the sort of evidence you need to support your claim. I don't think you understand why you need that evidence.

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"find me an example of this, if you don't you're wrong" is fallacious...

As I thought, you failed to comprehend my post. You might want to try something actually similar to what I'm saying:

"Find an example of this or your claim lacks all credibility."

07-15-2008, 07:57 PM

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JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

At John 10:30 Jesus that he and his father are one, meaning that they are of one purpose and in unity. Like a married couple are considered as one but not the same. Since Jesus was on earth and his Father was in heaven he obviously didn't mean they were actually the same.

At John 17:21-22 Jesus uses the same Greek word hen, for one in application to his followers. “That they may all be one,” and he added, “that they may be one even as we are one.”

Deus Ex · 07-15-2008, 08:05 PM

DLH

Do you differ doctrinally from the JW? Most of what I have read from you sounds very JW. Do you share their doctrine, but just aren't a member?

If not, then what differences do you have with the Witnesses?

07-15-2008, 08:10 PM

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(Leviticus 11:19) - "These, moreover, you shall detest among the birds; they are abhorrent, not to be eaten: the eagle and the vulture and the buzzard, 14and the kite and the falcon in its kind, 15every raven in its kind, 16 and the ostrich and the owl and the sea gull and the hawk in its kind, 17and the little owl and the cormorant and the great owl, 18and the white owl and the pelican and the carrion vulture, 19and the stork, the heron in its kinds, and the hoopoe, and the bat."
Apparently god doesn't know mammals from birds. Clue one has fur the other feathers. My 4 year old neighbor new the difference.

A more accurate translation would be flying creatures instead of birds. You know, a lot of these contradictions could be cleared up if the skeptic would bother to look at more translations.

Amaleq13 · 07-15-2008, 08:11 PM

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07-15-2008, 08:14 PM

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DLH

Do you differ doctrinally from the JW? Most of what I have read from you sounds very JW. Do you share their doctrine, but just aren't a member?

If not, then what differences do you have with the Witnesses?

It is a fair observation. I disagree with some of their teachings, but for the most part have been heavily influenced by them. They used to come to my house as a child and leave their literature with my mother. She never read it but I did. I was an avid reader. When I studied with them they remarked that I was an exceptionally good student and in fact they would ask me questions they had about the Bible and even their own literature.

aa5874 · 07-15-2008, 08:28 PM

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JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

At John 10:30 Jesus that he and his father are one, meaning that they are of one purpose and in unity. Like a married couple are considered as one but not the same. Since Jesus was on earth and his Father was in heaven he obviously didn't mean they were actually the same.

At John 17:21-22 Jesus uses the same Greek word hen, for one in application to his followers. “That they may all be one,” and he added, “that they may be one even as we are one.”

But, a God can be everywhere at the same time. Jesus in the NT is a God, so he can be in heaven, on earth, in hell, and in a christian's heart all at the same time, plus on the cross while he is being transfigured.

It is absolute naivity to think a God like Jesus is not supernatural as stated in the NT.

You cannot use the NT to claim that the God Jesus could not be in heaven and earth at the same time.

Jesus the God can be in Alaska, Antartica, Asia, America, Africa and Australia, while sitting at the right hand of his Father, all at the same time, if the NT is true.

When Jesus said, I and my Father are one, according to John, not ONE meaning may suffice, if the NT is true.

07-15-2008, 08:36 PM

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Matthew 27:5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.

6 The chief priests picked up the coins and said, "It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money." 7 So they decided to use the money to buy the potter's field as a burial place for foreigners. 8 That is why it has been called the Field of Blood to this day. (NIV)

The potter's field was called Field of Blood because it was purchased with blood money by the priests.

Acts 1:18 (With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. 19 Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.)

The field was called Field of Blood because Judas bought the field and there his bloody intestines spilled out.

The stories differ on how Judas died, on who bought the field, and why it came to be called Field of Blood.

With some so-called contradictions I can see a reason for the confusion. With this one I don't actually see it. Judas threw the money in the temple and then attempted to hang himself, the limb broke and he was disemboweled in the fall. The priests couldn't have the money in the temple so they used it to buy the field. It was still Judas money because the priests rejected it.

You have really answered your own questions. If a man named Stanley paints a house through a contractor that he works with he can say he painted the house and it can also be said that the contractor did. They are both true.

If a man hangs himself and is decapitated it could be said that he died from hanging or decapitation.

It really isn't that difficult.

dr lazer blast · 07-15-2008, 08:39 PM

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actually thenetian you never answered my question at all.

The victem was killed with a knife
The victem was killed with a gun
is this a contradiction?

Oh, sorry!

No, no, of course not! First of all, "the victim" could easily be two different victims, and secondly; there could have been two killers, one with a gun and the other with a knife. Pfft! That one was easy!

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Except, maybe if you make some assumptions...

1) "The victim" refers to the same person in both cases
2) There can only be one "killing blow" so that even if there were two deadly attacks, only the one that hit him first killed him from a legal point of view.
3) It is impossible to shoot and stab a person at exactly the same millionth of a second.

What do you think? More assumptions needed?

Cheers!

as it is presented to you thenetian, is it a contradiction yes or no.

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The victem was killed with a knife
The victem was killed with a gun

this is all there is, this is all the evidnece that you have. Is it a contradiction?

07-15-2008, 09:01 PM

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But, a God can be everywhere at the same time. Jesus in the NT is a God, so he can be in heaven, on earth, in hell, and in a christian's heart all at the same time, plus on the cross while he is being transfigured.

It is absolute naivity to think a God like Jesus is not supernatural as stated in the NT.

You cannot use the NT to claim that the God Jesus could not be in heaven and earth at the same time.

Jesus the God can be in Alaska, Antartica, Asia, America, Africa and Australia, while sitting at the right hand of his Father, all at the same time, if the NT is true.

When Jesus said, I and my Father are one, according to John, not ONE meaning may suffice, if the NT is true.

You really have to be careful in assuming that you can define what a god is by a sort of Occham's Razor. God can do anything? God can't lie. God is everywhere? Then why would Solomon build a temple? Why is God's place said to be only in heaven? God knows everything? Then why send angels to Sodom to see if what people were saying about it was true? Why ask Adam and Cain what they had done?

Moses was a god. (Exodus 4:16) The Judges were gods. (Psalm 82:1, 6)

The word god simply means Mighty and or venerated. Not can be anywhere at once. Your reasoning doesn't negate the truth of the Christian Greek Scripture. Jesus was a god and a man.

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Deus Ex Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,348	DLH Do you differ doctrinally from the JW? Most of what I have read from you sounds very JW. Do you share their doctrine, but just aren't a member? If not, then what differences do you have with the Witnesses?

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