aa5874

Are you begging for percentages? Just get credible data about Jesus of Nazareth.

Achilles has ZERO, and no one complains.

mountainman

Dear logicians, mathematicians and probabilistic statisticians, etc, ..., and ancient historians,

There is a difference between a null result and a calculable percentage. When you have data capable of being used as input to an algorithm the output of which has been designed to be a percentage, then you have percentage results then, and only then, possible between 0 and 100. When you do not have any data capable of being used as an input to such an algorithm then the result set is not zero. Logic demands that in the case where no evidence is yet available for computation the output of the algorith is in essence deemed to be of null value. (not zero).

Best wishes,


Pete

aa5874

Was Achilles nullified or Zeroed? Whatever was done for Achilles can be done to Jesus of Nazareth.

And we have more information about Jesus of Nazareth than Achilles.

We have the mother of Jesus in dialogue with some angel called Gabriel as a WITNESS to his Holy Ghost conception, there are Peter, James and John as WITNESSES to the transfiguration, Peter is a WITNESS to Jesus walking on a stormy sea, the Marys as Witnesses to the empty tomb, and we have the disciples as WITNESSES to his ascension through the clouds.

How do you null a nil?

With Constantine and Eusebius.

People probably would not have believed Jesus was probable without them.

thedistillers

0% (and by "0%" I really mean 0%) means in that context that it's impossible that there is an historical Jesus. If a rational person wants to take that position, then he has the burden to show that it's impossible for Jesus to have an historical core.

Simply stating that there is no credible information about Jesus does not in any way imply that it's impossible for Jesus to have an historical core. Maybe in 200 years, no credible information about you will be available; does it follow that it's impossible for you to exist?

Sheshbazzar

Yes.

Sheshbazzar

Its not a lack of "credible information" that makes his existance impossible, but rather the very existence of credible and contemporary information that makes his existance as claimed, impossible.

aa5874

Now, who would claim I existed 200 years ago without any credible evidence?

People who are called believers.


And, really 200 years ago a man named aa5874 was called the Messiah, and when you die, if you believe aa5874 was the Messiah, you will go to heaven.

Many shall come in aa5874's name and claim to be aa5874, but do not believe.

For God sent aa5874, born of a virgin and ascended, to save the world and to die for your sins, he that believes not will be damned and those who believe will be saved. Blessed are those who believe without seeing aa5874.

Now, do you think any one would believe this 200 years from now?

People believe the same incredible things about Jesus from about 2000 years ago.

thedistillers

It's irrelevant who would claim that you existed. You seem to have trouble understanding even simple points. If there is no credible information about you in 2000 years, it does not follow that it's currently impossible for you to exist. Similarly, if there is no credible information about Jesus right now, it does not follow it's impossible for Jesus to have a historical core.

So merely pointing out that there is no credible source about Jesus isn't enough. I'm not dismissing your position, by the way, I'm saying that you don't seem to realize that you have a burden the proof, and it goes way beyond stating that there is no credible source about Jesus. You have to make your case that the writers MUST have written their gospels without an historical Jesus (as descriped in the OP) entering the picture.

Now, you have 2 choices: either you show you understand my point and try to answer it, or you waffle again.

aa5874

So. why do you seem not to understand the description of aa5874 that was just given? Why can't you understand that the aa5874 who was born of a virgin and ascended is impossible.

Why can't you understand that the aa5874 in the previous post has a fictional core, everything about that aa5874 is false.

The aa5874 that has an historical core is the one who is responding to your post.

A fictional character with the name aa5874 does not have an historical core because I used the name aa5874.

Now, Jesus has a FICTIONAL CORE, his conception and ascension is impossible as described and witnessed.


You should read the description of Jesus as described in the NT and the church fathers. I repeat, it is impossible that there was any person who was conceived of the Holy Ghost and ascended through the clouds and witnessed by a woman called Mary and by his disciples.

No history is needed of any real person to make such outrageous fictional claims. Only the writer of such nonsense needs to have lived.

I made up an outrageous story, complete fiction, using my username, aa5874, and people already think it has an historical core.

Now, you can believe whatever you want.

spamandham

Why would I need to do that to point out to someone what 0% means?