Baidarka

6Then the young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.
7About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8Peter asked her, "Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?"

I just picked up on another inhuman aspect of this story. This supposed Holy man immediately had the man buried without even notifying his wife.
He buried him without ceremony, without prayers. This is a very repulsive story. Peter is more interested in interrogating the wife than he is in comforting her in her time of loss. He is more interested in trapping her into the sin of lying then he is in saving her soul.
If it is based on a true story perhaps the mangled bodies had to be buried quickly before anyone saw the stab wounds.

Crucifiction

Nope. Back when I was an ignorant Christian, the ONLY reason I believed was because I didn't want to go to Hell, and even then I knew some of the atrocities comitted by "God in the OT were morally bankrupt. I just didn't want the same thing to happen to me. I also disagreed with God on MANY points, but didn't speak my mind because of fear of retaliation. I reckon it's this way with many, many Christians.

Without the fear of punishment and Hell, the Church would be nowhere near as powerful and large as it is. Rest assured on that.

You're kidding, right?

Baidarka

Quote:
Originally Posted by Baidarka
Wouldn't the Christian thing be to give the money back to their family.


You're kidding, right?

Right

Just trying to use the vernacular to talk to LP675 in a language that he understands.

Baidarka

LP675- "I was going to say ‘I’d pay off my goons/henchmen’, "

"Then the young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him."

No cemomony no funeral!

"Look! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also."
10At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband."

No Pity, no decency. These are definitely Peter's goons.

What would you call these young men who performed Peter's dirty work for him?

Dargo

Isn't it just amazing that god struck A & S dead for telling a harmless lie but Christians since then have been able to lie, steal, kill, and torture in the name of Jebus without god lifting a finger to stop them. Why did god sit on his ass all throughout the Middle Ages and let his holy church become so corrupt? Did god get lazy or did he just decide not to interfere in church affairs after the first century?

Baidarka

I've been thinking about the Murder of Ananias and Sapphira for some time now.

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Murder of Ananias

itsdatruth

The Apostle Paul came across this topic. I want to paste it for you here. For a bit of context info, remember that even before Jesus commanded Peter to "feed my sheep," shepherd terminology was used for those caretakers of God's people.

Here is the entire chapter 9 of the World English Bible from his epistle to the Church in Corinth:
<snip 1 Cor 9 which is of dubious relevance here>

Of course, pay for God's Work is sometimes stolen... pay that is taken when the work is unfaithful:
Snip Eze 34:2-4 available here

That will provoke God:
<see above>

Overseers, (now called pastors-which comes from Latin for Shepherd, think "pastoral") were not to gain dishonestly or be greedy. Pay was allowed. But, as "Give us our daily bread" shows, a limited amount provided by the abilities given by God is sufficient.
Tit 1:7 For the overseer must be blameless, as God's steward; not self-pleasing, not easily angered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for dishonest gain;

Paul, as some may know, decided to work a normal job, as a tent maker, to support himself so that he did not have to live off of gifts from the people. When people complained, he was sarcastic (11:18):
2Co 11:7 Or did I commit a sin in humbling myself that you might be exalted, because I preached to you God's gospel free of charge?
2Co 11:8 I robbed other assemblies, taking wages from them that I might serve you.

Toto

itsdatruth:

you have been advised not to post extensive Bible verses, especially when they do not contribute to the discussion.

Gregg

So, where's the punishment? And why the fear among those who heard about it? After all, God just killed their physical bodies, not their eternal souls, and he brought those into the glories and joys of heaven earlier than they might have done. Sounds like an act of love and mercy, not punishment.Of course, I understand. It is difficult for modern, civilized people to feel comfortable with the idea that their God is cold-blooded murderer.So once again God gets away with it. No matter what crime he commits--including drowning the whole world--his followers will excuse him for it on the grounds that "Father always knows best."

Gregg

OT, I always thought that Billy Mumy kid was weird-lookin'.