mountainman

There are even more fatal problems awaiting "upstream" (or "downstream", depending on how you sea the flow of the mighty historical river and saga of "Early Christian Origins"), since Eusebius SPECIFICALLY claims there was no oral history and that the eyewitness apostles-in-the-field all wrote their gospels after Matthew found time to scribble after work collecting Caesar's tax.

Sheshbazzar

Who ever told you that you were ahead ???
Oh well, enjoy your delusions.

aa5874

gMark does NOT mention THE upper room of Mary or that Mary had an upper room or that there was ONLY ONE upper room in Jerusalem.

There is ZERO indication that upper room in the Myth Fable called Acts is the same upper room in the Myth Fable called gMark.

I really don't know how African Memory of a Myth Fable will make any difference to an already publicly circulated Mythological character and events.

Adam

And I pulled even farther ahead by displaying that I have a sense of humor.

Adam

Facts mean nothing to one who believes only in myth.

aa5874

Please look at the FACTS of MYTH as stated in gMark.

Mark 6.48-49 Look at the FACTS of MYTH as stated in gMark.

Mark 9.2 You need to know the FACTS of Mythology--The FACT is ---Myth is FICTION.

arnoldo

Richard A. Horsley (Oral and Written Aspects of the Emergence of the Gospel of Mark as Scripture ) presents an interesting argument regarding the meaning in the gMark where “it is written occurs.” A rough analogy of this argument would involve reading a transcript involving a debate of US presidential candidates over the constitution. A reader of this transcript from another country may come to the conclusion that when candidates state something along the lines “it’s written in the constitution we have freedom of speech” or “in the constitution separation of church and state is provided for” that the candidates were reading these statements from the constitution. However, people reading this transcript from the US would most likely understand that the candidates were quoting the lines from memory rather than reading from a document

Sheshbazzar

It is easy to misunderstand Adam's religiously warped perspective.
His comment really means that he is one only believing in these MYTHS, therefore any FACTS that might discredit or disagree with these MYTHS mean nothing to him.
(except for whatever he might be able to employ to further propagation of his personal religious delusions.)
Adam has already made up his mind to accept these MYTHS at face value, and he doesn't want anyone to confuse him with any FACTS.

Most of us here, because of the known FACTS, do not believe these MYTHS that Adam claims to believe and wishes us to believe.
He is unable to persuade us to believe his favorite MYTHS, and we in turn are unable to persuade Adam with FACTS. :banghead:

arnoldo

An interesting fact pointed out by Paul Anderson in his book Riddles of the Fourth Gospel: an introduction to John (or via: amazon.co.uk) (page 154) is that Acts has a phrase attributed to John which correlates grammatically to similar phrases of John in the gJohn. Acts 4:20 records a phrase by John who states;

Allegedly this phrase of "seen and heard" does not occur elsewhere in Luke-Acts in the first plural reference tense ;but it does occur in 1 John 1:3

and John 3:32

Sheshbazzar

I have seen and heard that Christians crib from the writings of others, engage in fraud, and tend to make up shit.

Because I have written "have seen and heard" is that any evidence that I am the apostle John?