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Basically, the only traditional criteria we know he fulfilled was that he was Jewish. He _might_ have been of the line of David as well, since the whole "virgin birth" thing is mythical accretion, but it would be hard to know if he did or did not meet that criteria. Even if he did meet both of those criteria, he clearly didn't meet the others and there is no point in saying "not yet" because there is nothing in the Jewish tradition indicating a "second coming". The messiah is to come once and fulfill all the criteria. The argument is quite simple. Since the idea of a Jewish messiah is exclusively the province of Jewish tradition, they are the ones who get to say what the criteria are. Their religious traditions say quite clearly what those criteria are and Jesus quite clearly did not meet them. Period. You can argue that Jesus was something else, but it is crystal clear that Jesus was not the Jewish messiah. |
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Until you realize that the NT is a fatally flawed document, you do not reveal yourself as to having that much of an understanding. |
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I'm curious to find out how you distinguish a literal metaphor from a figurative metaphor. Needless to say, you've left me utterly confused. Please clarify. |
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Very recently a certain sect of Judaism believed their head Rabbi was the messiah. He died a few years back, so most of those who believed said he must have been an incarnation of the messiah, but it wasn't the right time to come out with it. There are some, however, that broke away from the rest, still believing he's the messiah and that he'll be back, much like Jesus.
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