outhouse

it is idiotic to take sides in a battle and not follow the real history no matter which side your on.

This is where Carrier shines by not taking sides and focusing on history first.


populations of crowds at passover have little to do with your mythology guesses. and from how you take this view, you do biased work.

Duke Leto

Getting the water back out of the pools is still the biggest water problem. Human beings cannot draw water out of a pool by hand at a rate of a gallon per minute, especially if they have to move the hell out of the way of the next person in line. Even if they could you'd need to get 18,000 people through all of the pools per hour. 60,000 is probably a realistic minimum if you keep the line moving 24 hours. I don't think you can realistically argue for people carrying off more than a gallon at a go. I'm a very big guy and I'd find a 3 or 5 gallon waterskin extremely cumbersome, still moreso the ten 1 gallon waterskins I argued for above. That gives you a ballpark of 1,000-1,200 people drawing water at any one time. The area of the pools isn't the problem, it's the perimeter. Our football field is your basic acre and its perimeter is not much more than 1000 feet. About 840 if it were a square, says my calculator. Area goes up in proportion to the square of the perimeter. If the two big pools are 2-3 acres their perimeters are NOT 2-3,000 feet. 1,200-1,450 feet is more like it. So call the two big pools 1,450 feet each and the little one 840 feet. Round that up to 4,000 feet of total pool perimeter. That's just BARELY the amount of space you need if you have well organized, disciplined lines of people going to refill their waterskins with enough for "rationed survival", assuming they're are allowed to do it round the clock. Since it's rationed survival, I'm having a hard time imagining the crowds wanting to be organized. I recall from your schematics that the pools are set off in their own walled enclosures. How big are the doors?

I've been thinking about the other absurd Tacitan number I mentioned, Tiberius' 5 billion sestertii treasury. The size of the coins was a good bit bigger than a quarter, 32-34 mm around and 4 mm thick. They were not precision machined so stacking is probably not possible, you'd have to just throw them in a pile and hope your input and output records are right. I'm going to go with 10 x 10 x 4 mm as their volume for 400 cubic mm. So now we want 5 billion of the things? That's 2 trillion cubic millimeters which is 2,000 cubic meters by curious coincidence. That'd be a cube 12.6 x 12.6 x 12.6 meters full of nothing but brass coins. Granted it would be smaller if denarii or aureii were used but that's still a pretty substantial pile of money. The only "official" measurements of Scrooge McDuck's money bin put it in the department of 36 x 36 x 36 meters, although that's the building, not the vault. So we're giving Tiberius credit for a pile of coins equal to ONLY a tenth the size of the fortune of a fictional cartoon duck created to be more wealthy than humanly possible. (Even if the 200 billion US coins Scrooge could fit were all dollar coins, that would make him richer than Gates, but Scrooge needs illiquid assets large enough to allow him to keep several billion in spare change.) Another comparison? All the gold in Ft. Knox is less than 250 cubic meters.

Wanna argue some more about the reliability of numbers in ancient authors?

Duke Leto

He DID bloody well take sides! He set it was extremely unlikely.

outhouse

could you please read up on this yourself.

if you want to debate from a stance of ignorance, find someone else.


the whole temple was plumbed by the ponds, and springs surrounding the temple, that also had their own access.

water was everywhere within the temple



You should know this if you want to debate about it. I should not have to state there was more then 53,000,000 gallons of water. And that it was not the temples first time with large crowds after centuries of passover traditions in the area

outhouse

he said this


he also stated historians/scholars should check to see if it had the water supply

well it did have the water supply




he didnt write a book on the subject for you quote. he wrote he has bigger fish to fry then this

Sarpedon

Between your 12.6 meter cube of coins and my 36 meter cube of sheep blood, we are definitely running out of room.

outhouse

Stop your silly nonsense


the temple was the jewish treasury, I dont think there is a shortage of space on 35 acres for coins


this was the most pathatic attempt at BS ive seen, next to your water debacle



this shows how far you will go to try and promote your pathetic attempt to discredit scholars soley based on the fact you dont like it with no education on first century temple or jewish customs

Iskander

Where does Tacitus say that?

Sarpedon

Oh I get it! I previously said that the amount of water might be enough for drinking, but not to wash away the human waste! But they could use all the blood for that! Six million pilgrims, 529,800 gallons of blood. Assuming one bowel movement a day per pilgrim, that's 1/12 of a gallon of blood per flush! Add in all the urine and you might just have enough!

Behold! The Toilet that Flushes with Blood!

outhouse

300,000 to 400,000 pilgrans not 6 million

and with over 53,000,000 gallons of water, with a daily recharge rate to keep the ponds full, the open water sewers and tunnel sewers had plenty of water to carry waist away.



maybe you have historical recods stating sewers always backed up at passover ????


You know, the "passover of stinky" the year it got all backed up