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RED DAVE · 05-02-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Amedeo

I am not telling Jews what their religion is or what their beliefs are; I am studying the Judeans, the Christians, the Israelites and other ancient human societies. I know the history of the Jews better than their own fictious chronicles and present-day inventions.

...

I am a researcher, not a prophet.

I'm going to be charitable. You're delusional.

You and Larsguy47 need to hang out together. Maybe he can prove to you that he's actually the Messiah. I think you two would be very happy together in a little cult for two.

RED DAVE

RED DAVE · 05-02-2007, 10:49 AM

From Amedeo

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(By the detective's procedure, I have pin-pointed the place in France where the lost Ark of the Covenant is buried, but nobody wants to do the excavation and find out. [The French government forbids private digging at Rennes-le-Chateau.])

Somehow I missed this.

Lewis Black said that a fundy is someone who watches The Flintstones and thinks it's a documentary.

Now we have someone who's thinks The DaVinci Code is a docudrama.

RED DAVE

Sven · 05-02-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Amedeo

I am not telling Jews what their religion is or what their beliefs are; I am studying the Judeans, the Christians, the Israelites and other ancient human societies. I know the history of the Jews better than their own fictious chronicles and present-day inventions.

Yup. You continue to claim knowledge, but never give the slightest shred of a reference. For all I know, you could have made it up. Now, please prove me wrong.

Sven · 05-02-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RED DAVE

From Amedeo
Somehow I missed this.

Lewis Black said that a fundy is someone who watches The Flintstones and thinks it's a documentary.

Now we have someone who's thinks The DaVinci Code is a docudrama.

To be fair, Rennes-le-Chateau was "researched" by quacks for decades before Dan Brown wrote his book.

Hex · 05-02-2007, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Amedeo

I am not telling Jews what their religion is or what their beliefs are; I am studying the Judeans, the Christians, the Israelites and other ancient human societies. I know the history of the Jews better than their own fictious chronicles and present-day inventions. // I know that that when anybody says something that does not agree with the Jews, he is considered anti-Semitic.

Okay. So the Torah and the Bible are ficticious. Fine, I'm with you there. But people -are- allowed to disagree. It's when stuff moves from discourse to a dispariging remarke based solely on one's choice of religious beleif or ethnicity that it starts to become 'hate speech'.

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True knowledge is not the concern of the Jews or yours; you judge according to what comforms with or is contray to your orthodoxy. For you to do history -- reserach into your culture or your scriptures -- would amount to a contestation of the god-given truth. He who contests the Jewish dogmas is a DEFAMER or anti-Semite (There is even a law to this effect in the U.S, and in European countries.)

True knowlegde -is- a concern of mine. Hence, I got into science. Where I don't beleive in 'god-given truth' from -any- god. I look at archaeological evidence. I interpret it in relation to large bodies of recovered material and their contexts. Certainly bodies of theory can change over time (processionalist to post-processionalist and back, for example), but that doesn't invalidate the data, merely the interpretation.

If my interpretation of an Iroquoian village site goes against the structure of life set up in Leviticus, is my work anti-semitic?

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Originally Posted by Amedeo

Well, I belong to the Age of Herodotus and the philosphers, wherefore I have only contempt for your accusation or insinuation, and for Age of the Gods and Heroes. I have transcended your lot and will pursue my Herodotean Researches, as I say unto you, and my Archimedean circles, as I say to the political hegemonists [ the makers of Semitic laws for the Gentiles] over me. I am a researcher, not a prophet.

Ah ... I was going to ask if you got your 'revelatory' truth from a divine source. So, it's not actually god-given, then?

Now, even better ... -How- does all this work into the lack of evidence for the Biblical evidence? I got your 'They would have looked like Egyptians' above, and that's potentially a valid arguement. But are you putting up that -only- the Egyptains had a concept of resurection for the Isrealites to appropriate?
:huh:

And I wish you luck in living in the past. The good ol' days, huh? :wave:

Amedeo · 05-02-2007, 11:26 AM

The "detective method" I have alluded to deals, in the present issue, with the orgin(s) of resurrectionism and embalming. A mere similarity with the Egyptian customs does not establish that the Israelitic custom [among others] originated by the Israeletis having lived in Egypt. So, it is necessary to employ the method of "elimination of alternatives."

The Israelites INDIGENOUS traditions comprise Yahwehite doctrines and customs, and Elohimite doctrines and customs. I have indicated, in a subsequent post, that the Yahwehite tradition is consonant with the doctrine of the immortality of the spirit [it being the divine breath rather than the dust out of which the body is made]. But what about the Elohimite tradition? Was is possibly resurrectionistic (that is, indigenously resurrectionistic)?

Since this tradition is of Canaanite origins, we have to look into Canaan. And here we do not find a single religion. There is the religion of the Elhoim and there is the religion of Baal, the major son of the Elohim. (These and other reliogions are akin.)

As for the issue of immortality, the Canaanites believed in what has been called "an afterlife of memory." They had the cult of the ancestors, and related festivals, which aimed at preserving the memory of the ancestors [the only survival they had]. This is not exclusively Canaanite, as various cultures attest to the use of staele, mausoleums, and remebrance festivals (including Olympian games) to honor the dead or the ancestors. If one were to examine the Bible again, one could see that, aside from the collection of devotional poems, the Book consists of a remembering [written] catalogue of the ancestors. It is a verbal monument to the ancestors, who, therefore, live though this memory. [To contest the existence of Abraham, Moses, Noah, or the other patriarchs, and their deeds, is a criminal offence. To contest the fact that 6 million innocent Jews were incinerated by the Nazi is a criminal offence, even for the Gentiles. For a Christian to contest the divinity of Jesus is likewise a criminal offense whose punishment is death by burning at the stake. For people to persist on being infidels of the religion of Allah is to incur punishment by death. That's the beauty of the "Abrahamic" religions!]

Memory-survival and spirit-survival are indigenous to the overall Judaic faith. Resurrection-survival is of Egyptian origin for the Israelites who must have lived in that culture for some generations. But then, a miracle could have happened : Some Israelites watching the Egyptians on television or by clairvoyance ended up adopting some of their beliefs and customs: resurrection and embalming.

RED DAVE · 05-02-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Amedeo

Some Israelites watching the Egyptians on television or by clairvoyance ended up adopting some of their beliefs and customs: resurrection and embalming.

If this is meant to be taken seriously, you are delusional.

Besides, back then they didn't even have cable.

RED DAVE

Toto · 05-02-2007, 11:58 AM

There are 346 posts in this thread, and still no evidence of the Exodus or reasons for the lack of evidence, and this thread has now wandered into an alternative universe (not that it started off well grounded in reality.)

Using my moderator powers, I am closing this thread. If you really have an unresolved issue, you may start a new thread.

05-02-2007, 11:26 AM	#346
Amedeo Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: US Citizen (edited) Posts: 1,948	Sequel to # 328 The "detective method" I have alluded to deals, in the present issue, with the orgin(s) of resurrectionism and embalming. A mere similarity with the Egyptian customs does not establish that the Israelitic custom [among others] originated by the Israeletis having lived in Egypt. So, it is necessary to employ the method of "elimination of alternatives." The Israelites INDIGENOUS traditions comprise Yahwehite doctrines and customs, and Elohimite doctrines and customs. I have indicated, in a subsequent post, that the Yahwehite tradition is consonant with the doctrine of the immortality of the spirit [it being the divine breath rather than the dust out of which the body is made]. But what about the Elohimite tradition? Was is possibly resurrectionistic (that is, indigenously resurrectionistic)? Since this tradition is of Canaanite origins, we have to look into Canaan. And here we do not find a single religion. There is the religion of the Elhoim and there is the religion of Baal, the major son of the Elohim. (These and other reliogions are akin.) As for the issue of immortality, the Canaanites believed in what has been called "an afterlife of memory." They had the cult of the ancestors, and related festivals, which aimed at preserving the memory of the ancestors [the only survival they had]. This is not exclusively Canaanite, as various cultures attest to the use of staele, mausoleums, and remebrance festivals (including Olympian games) to honor the dead or the ancestors. If one were to examine the Bible again, one could see that, aside from the collection of devotional poems, the Book consists of a remembering [written] catalogue of the ancestors. It is a verbal monument to the ancestors, who, therefore, live though this memory. [To contest the existence of Abraham, Moses, Noah, or the other patriarchs, and their deeds, is a criminal offence. To contest the fact that 6 million innocent Jews were incinerated by the Nazi is a criminal offence, even for the Gentiles. For a Christian to contest the divinity of Jesus is likewise a criminal offense whose punishment is death by burning at the stake. For people to persist on being infidels of the religion of Allah is to incur punishment by death. That's the beauty of the "Abrahamic" religions!] Memory-survival and spirit-survival are indigenous to the overall Judaic faith. Resurrection-survival is of Egyptian origin for the Israelites who must have lived in that culture for some generations. But then, a miracle could have happened : Some Israelites watching the Egyptians on television or by clairvoyance ended up adopting some of their beliefs and customs: resurrection and embalming.

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05-02-2007, 11:58 AM	#348
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	There are 346 posts in this thread, and still no evidence of the Exodus or reasons for the lack of evidence, and this thread has now wandered into an alternative universe (not that it started off well grounded in reality.) Using my moderator powers, I am closing this thread. If you really have an unresolved issue, you may start a new thread.

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