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dog-on · 10-04-2011, 06:35 AM

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This assumes that the subject was, in fact, a local and recent figure, which is what has been called into question in the first place. You have no real reason to hold such an assumption as self evident, as you lack the evidence required to do so.

No. It doesn't assume it, or take it as self-evident, in the slightest. Nor does it assume it because it is first assumed he did exist. I already said why that was not accurate, and that I had given my reasoning for taking the position on timing elsewhere (yes, it's a 'position', Dog-on, no need to wet your pants), but apparently you don't actually read others replies to you. You do grasp the difference between 'assumed as self evident' and 'view held, for reasons given', don't you? No. Apparently you don't.

Oh, and thanks for reminding me of another popular and irrational canard. The 'you don't have evidence' canard. Yes, the people saying this do have evidence. We are not all in the same boat. Lol.

Hold whatever position you like. It doesn't change the fact that your response begged the question.

mountainman · 10-04-2011, 06:52 AM

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So the evidence for the historical Buddha is late and sparse. When you are ready we can move on to the evidence for the historical Jesus, which is also very late and very sparse........

MM,

Thankyou,

You're welcome.

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but I really wasn't intending to compare and contrast, at this point (interesting though it might be).

It is not just interesting. Comparison and contrast of the evidence is critical to the entire professional business of doing history, which btw I am presuming you are indulging in, and not something else such as theology.

Sloncha!

archibald · 10-04-2011, 07:08 AM

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Hold whatever position you like. It doesn't change the fact that your response begged the question.

No, Dog-on. It can't even be question begging, unless it's an assumption, which it isn't. You need to spend much more time on basic definitions.

archibald · 10-04-2011, 07:10 AM

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It is not just interesting. Comparison and contrast of the evidence is critical to the entire professional business of doing history, which btw I am presuming you are indulging in, and not something else such as theology.

Sloncha!

Oh yes. It's just I don't have the free time at this moment, this afternoon, to go into that one.

dog-on · 10-04-2011, 07:11 AM

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Hold whatever position you like. It doesn't change the fact that your response begged the question.

No, Dog-on. It can't even be question begging, unless it's an assumption, which it isn't. You need to spend much more time on basic definitions.

Perhaps, though, again, it does not change the fact that your response begged the question.

archibald · 10-04-2011, 07:13 AM

If you mean, the timing of Jsus' existence depends on whether he existed in the first place, then thankyou Dog-on. I would have gone astray on that one were it not for your guidance. Let me know when anyone has the answer. :]

dog-on · 10-04-2011, 07:20 AM

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If you mean, the timing of Jsus' existence depends on whether he existed in the first place, then thankyou Dog-on. I would have gone astray on that one were it not for your guidance. Let me know when anyone has the answer. :]

I suppose we can wait together.

However, I am pleased to see that you finally get it, so you can now deposit 5 bucks in the cup... thanks.

:applause:

archibald · 10-04-2011, 02:30 PM

Er, Dog-on, I hate to tell you, but I had got that particular thing before I initially posted.

judge · 10-04-2011, 03:32 PM

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Er, Dog-on, I hate to tell you, but I had got that particular thing before I initially posted.

Archibald, I wouldn't worry too much. Some people just need to get a hobby.

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archibald Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,305	If you mean, the timing of Jsus' existence depends on whether he existed in the first place, then thankyou Dog-on. I would have gone astray on that one were it not for your guidance. Let me know when anyone has the answer. :]

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archibald Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,305	Er, Dog-on, I hate to tell you, but I had got that particular thing before I initially posted.

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